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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by nohate » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:17 PM UTC

koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

How do you reconcile your desire to leave behind hate when you cast a vote for a candidate who's core positions were one of hate? If Trump does not continue a platform of hate, how would you not view that as a slap in the face as a supporter? He promised you hate, you said "Yes, I'll take one of those", and now say don't do that? You can not have it both ways, your vote is one for hate whether you bury your head in the sand about that point or not.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by AndrewKemendo » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:17 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #2

We buried the previous thread on this because, at almost 2000 comments, it was pegging the server. If you'd like to read it, and don't intend to comment, you could help your fellow users by logging out first, so we can serve you the page from cache: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 . If you do intend to comment, please take extra care to do so civilly and substantively, in the spirit of this site. Most p…

Great work keeping things rolling.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by danielweber » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:18 PM UTC

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Raise my taxes to increase the EITC on low-wage workers.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by pavlov » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:18 PM UTC

koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

What are the milestones and key metrics for the "direction that has been chosen"?

In four years, if the rural mine workers are still out of work and iPads are still made in China, will you concede that the experiment failed?

I can't see Trump doing that. Deflecting blame has been a theme of his career. Therefore I'm frightened that he's going to need new scapegoats for his lack of achievements pretty soon... And considering the rhetoric he's used, there just is no telling who he might pick to receive the blame.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by applecore » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:18 PM UTC

_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #83

koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

> That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country Is not winning the popular vote really a strong mandate? http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/09/501393501/...

Politicians know the electoral college decides the election. If the candidates had been campaigning for the popular vote, presumably Trump would campaign harder for more votes in large states like California and New York.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by ErikVandeWater » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:18 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #2

We buried the previous thread on this because, at almost 2000 comments, it was pegging the server. If you'd like to read it, and don't intend to comment, you could help your fellow users by logging out first, so we can serve you the page from cache: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 . If you do intend to comment, please take extra care to do so civilly and substantively, in the spirit of this site. Most p…

This thread is substantially less civil than the previous, for whatever reason.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by lackbeard » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:18 PM UTC

moultano wrote: post #38

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Dramatically increase the amount of housing in urban areas so more people can move there and away from the places without any industry left.

This is the insanely simple and insanely correct answer.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by narrator » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:18 PM UTC

I bet Peter Theil is going to have a full schedule holding court over the next several months as all the Silicon Valley power players are going to want to know how they can get in the good graces of the Trump administration.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by Asdfbla » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:18 PM UTC

koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

Seems extremely disingenuous that Trump supporters of all people would criticize hate and name calling when Trump's campaign was run on those issues, but I guess it's always easier to strike a conciliatory tone when you've won.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by belorn » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:19 PM UTC

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

I can think of several things, from cultural long term changes, rhetoric and acknowledge of human struggle, to smaller changes on the local level.

We could start by not calling them privileged, demeaning them in their struggle. Acknowledging peoples struggle in life is often the first step in helping a demographic, be that women, black, white, immigrant, American born, or what have you.

As cultural changes, one would be to lower the harm from being unemployed. For men, too much of social value and social opportunity is tied to being employed and having a high earning potential.