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Re: Canada's immigration website crashes on election night

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Post by geodel »

peeters wrote: post #121

I don't really get the mindset of "if Trump wins I'm moving to X country." The citizens in all of those countries are much more scared of a Trump presidency than Americans seem to be. It stands to reason that the best place to weather a Trump administration is from within the U.S. I mean, when your guy is threatening to disband NATO, tear up NAFTA (and rejects free trade as a whole), reinstate torture as official pol…

Do you think Twitter/FB commenters are dead serious about moving? To me it is at same level as today's lunch photos: just grab attention and likes by whatever means.

Re: Canada's immigration website crashes on election night

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Post by grownseed »

A few points I think are relevant:

- I find leaving your country only because you didn't vote for the winner is rather cowardly, you can still do something about it, we're not quite talking systemic harassment yet...

- as a friend of mine pointed out, Canada is not a consolation prize for disgruntled americans, it's a real country, with its own real people and its own real problems

- having just aquired my canadian permanent residence after years and lots of money, it was a harrowing process. Clogging the already dysfunctional immigration system en masse as a whim is not just stupid, it's insulting to people currently going through immigration, and downright threatening to people who are in very real danger

If you're a disgruntled US citizen, I can understand your frustration, but please don't take this lightly.

Re: Canada's immigration website crashes on election night

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Post by allengeorge »

colmvp wrote: post #5

Canada seems appealing to Americans until you realize you could be earning more in the U.S. while spending less on a bunch of other things. Don't get me wrong, I love living in Canada and I mostly don't miss living in Bay Area, but most of my friends lament the fact that their salary and career opportunities are a joke compared to what they could have in the U.S. (even adjusting for cost of living).

There are three major things that hinder Canadian startups:

- Small internal market

- Less risk-taking atmosphere and attitude

- Lack of money (see point above)

If you're a startup founder and moving its these three points that'll impact you the most. If you're an employee, the significant salary disparity and the number of employment opportunities will be the biggest factor at play.

That all said, I loved staying in Toronto, and I met and worked with exceptionally strong engineers there; it's my plan to move back. YMMV depending on the company you join, and one (sad) issue is that the job pool is thinner - so jumping from one great startup to another is dramatically harder than SF.

Re: Canada's immigration website crashes on election night

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Post by dblohm7 »

mhurron wrote: post #353
colmvp wrote: post #5

Canada seems appealing to Americans until you realize you could be earning more in the U.S. while spending less on a bunch of other things. Don't get me wrong, I love living in Canada and I mostly don't miss living in Bay Area, but most of my friends lament the fact that their salary and career opportunities are a joke compared to what they could have in the U.S. (even adjusting for cost of living).

Canada seems appealing to Americans until they show up and realize other than healthcare, it's pretty much exactly the same place. Want it to be like redneck country? Go to Alberta. Want to be like the West coast? Vancouver. Like New York, try New York lite, though Canada calls it Toronto. The following things changed for me going from Canada to the US, there are more American Flags.

Albertan here: Your redneck stereotyping is way off.

Re: Canada's immigration website crashes on election night

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Post by nicbou »

nodesocket wrote: post #131
colmvp wrote: post #5

Canada seems appealing to Americans until you realize you could be earning more in the U.S. while spending less on a bunch of other things. Don't get me wrong, I love living in Canada and I mostly don't miss living in Bay Area, but most of my friends lament the fact that their salary and career opportunities are a joke compared to what they could have in the U.S. (even adjusting for cost of living).

I traveled around Europe and South America for five months recently (digital nomad)... The common question was "...why do you think the US has the technology and opportunities that it does...". My honest answer... Less regulation and an attitude of do what it takes to be successful in the early days. The hustle.

That sounds a lot like it. It seems impossible to get filthy rich in Canada and even less in Germany where I currently live.

Re: Canada's immigration website crashes on election night

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Post by nicbou »

anguswithgusto wrote: post #218
gdilla wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but a crazy provincial government and high taxes.

crazy is relative ;)

As a Canadian in Germany, you seen nuthin'

The German tax ROI seems much better to me, but I miss my $575 Montreal rent.

Re: Canada's immigration website crashes on election night

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Post by bwooceli »

grownseed wrote: post #422

A few points I think are relevant: - I find leaving your country only because you didn't vote for the winner is rather cowardly, you can still do something about it, we're not quite talking systemic harassment yet... - as a friend of mine pointed out, Canada is not a consolation prize for disgruntled americans, it's a real country, with its own real people and its own real problems - having just aquired my canadian p…

Assuming it's not crashed by the minorities who are likely to feel the brunt of the policy changes... I'm having a lot of very sober conversations with my immigrant friends.

Re: Canada's immigration website crashes on election night

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Post by twblalock »

Thaxll wrote: post #43
colmvp wrote: post #5

Canada seems appealing to Americans until you realize you could be earning more in the U.S. while spending less on a bunch of other things. Don't get me wrong, I love living in Canada and I mostly don't miss living in Bay Area, but most of my friends lament the fact that their salary and career opportunities are a joke compared to what they could have in the U.S. (even adjusting for cost of living).

You know that most people don't care about earning SV salary right?

> You know that most people don't care about earning SV salary right?

This does not apply only to high-income Americans. In fact, the downsides of a reduced salary are much worse for people with average and low incomes.

It's become pretty obvious since the 2008 recession that people of low incomes, or even average incomes, have few means to control the circumstances of their lives. They are at the mercy of economic and political forces beyond their control. Another recession would victimize them again, and they would be powerless to improve their circumstances.

Americans moving to Canada, whether or not they are high-paid tech workers, will almost certainly take a lower salary in Canada than the one they have in the US, for doing the same job. The safety net in Canada isn't that much better than the one in the US, aside from the obvious exception of free health care. So, a lower salary would be a pretty big sacrifice to make, because it would worsen the problems I mentioned above.

Re: Canada's immigration website crashes on election night

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Post by halite »

grownseed wrote: post #422

A few points I think are relevant: - I find leaving your country only because you didn't vote for the winner is rather cowardly, you can still do something about it, we're not quite talking systemic harassment yet... - as a friend of mine pointed out, Canada is not a consolation prize for disgruntled americans, it's a real country, with its own real people and its own real problems - having just aquired my canadian p…

> having just aquired my canadian permanent residence after years and lots of money

Slightly off topic:

I've been through the process as well and accept the frustrations but I didn't not think the costs were unreasonable. I only had to pay CIC application fees. How was the process harrowing for you? Not defending the frustration, just curious I guess.

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