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Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by ant6n »

cryptica wrote: post #832

I'm surprised by how many of my non-US friends are calling Americans 'Stupid' right now on social media for voting for Trump. I think that the Trump victory actually shows the opposite; that Americans are smart enough to think for themselves regardless of what the media tells them. They got to the meat of the information without buying into all the spin that the media put around it. I strongly disagree with several t…

"It shows that the white people are still in control - Not the blacks, not the hispanics, not women."

There I fixed it.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by dang »

einr wrote: post #538

The Baltic Republics vs. the rest of the USSR. Just FYI, since I assume you're not very familiar with these countries: this kind of lumping together the so-called "Baltic Republics" with the "USSR" is generally very offensive to Estonians, Lithuanians and Latvians, who have nothing to do ethnically or culturally with Russia and generally view the Soviet era as very dark times. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were invad…

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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by paulddraper »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #796
nostromo wrote: post #51

Such a watershed moment. A few things strike me: * A Republican just won without being very religious and being wishy-washy on abortion. * The loser out-spent the winner by huge amounts. Does money really buy elections? Maybe, but not this one. * The rich abandoned Republicans, but many poor and working-class abandoned Democrats. [1] 1: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/e...

* Yet again, Americans didn't even consider the third party. They aren't even allowed to debate.

> Yet again, Americans didn't even consider the third party.

The presidential third party vote more than doubled this election compared to 4 years ago.

> They aren't even allowed to debate.

Ron Paul begs to differ.

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The challenge, of course, is the the system is susceptible to the spoiler effect. Trump won Florida's 29 electoral votes by just 1%. Gary Johnson alone had double that number in the state.

In 2000, the entire election was decided by 537 votes for George Bush in Florida. And the majority of Ralph Nader's 97k votes in the state would have gone to Al Gore in a two-party race. The Green Party lost the Democrats 4+ years of the presidency.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by dang »

hackaflocka wrote: post #228

Between all-purpose generic islamic terrorism (from Thailand to Phillipines to India to Middle-East to Paris to Belgium to London to USA), and black lives matter terrorism, the US needs a reboot. This is that reboot. Another brown indian dude here. I love western culture and society. I love the innovation, the science and the secularism. I'm sick of the left trying to convert it into a faux third world. For example:…

This breaks the HN guideline about flamewars. Please don't do that.

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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by ant6n »

mikeash wrote: post #846
icedchocolate wrote: post #284

Honestly Brexit and Trump both tell me that democracy doesn't work, because the majority of the population is undereducated, bigoted, and has absolutely no idea about how to run an economy - it makes no sense for the working class who don't understand the most basic of economic concepts to influence how the economy is run. I hope he doesn't screw America's economy by preventing skilled immigrants coming in and helpin…

It looks like Clinton will win the popular vote, so at least part of the blame rests with quaint 18th century notions of "democracy" rather than with the electorate.

If the US was a modern, pluralist, parliamentary democracy, then Bernie Sanders, Trump, Clinton and some traditional GOP candidate may have all run at the same time. Trump would probably have never won -- or possibly, he would've not even tried, because his flavor of populism probably would've only gotten 15-20% in a multi-party system.

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Post by debacle »

thewarrior wrote: post #44

It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

> The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail.

Because the interconnected globalized world had a lot of "buts" to it.

You can be interconnected and globalized... ...but we're going to still lock down copyright ...but we're going to export bad patent laws ...but we're going to externalize pollution even more than we were before ...but we're going to ignore competition and allow massive multinationals to form ...but we're going to maximize labor arbitrage while minimizing consumer choice ...but we're going to try and create a global jurisdiction that favors the guy with the most money ...but we're going to try and weaken the protections surrounding the most powerful tool for interconnection ever created.

This is why people are turning their backs on globalization - it hasn't worked for everyone, and it's hurt many people.

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Post by dang »

It pains me to see HN serving pages so slowly, so I'm going to try an experiment and bury the current thread for a minute or two. Don't worry, we'll restore it or an equivalent; momentous stories like this one (or Brexit) are exceptions to the general rule against politics here. I just want to see if not having to render 2000 comments so often will let us catch a breath.

Edit: ok, that definitely helped. I think the easiest solution might be to post a different story, let that one make the front page, and link to this thread from there. The WaPo article is a bit old at this point anyhow.

If you'd like to be a good citizen—and what would be a better time for that?—then please log out to read HN today, unless you want to comment. Then we can serve you from cache and HN's single-core Racket process will creak slightly less under the strain.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by elsurudo »

chc wrote: post #187
smackay wrote: post #102

Jeez, everybody is all bent out of shape on this. The Republican establishment hate Trump nearly as much as they hate Clinton so with Republicans controlling The House and The Senate how much "damage" is President Trump going to be able to do. The really interesting part of all this was reading Scott Adams blog who proposed the idea that Trump is a master persuader (probably this is just a fancy name for populist). H…

Media bias? If anything, the media has been weirdly accommodating to Trump. Trump literally hides his tax returns and they just kind of go "Oh well, guess that's that," but they kept reporting on Clinton's emails ad nauseum no matter how many times it was established that there was nothing there. When Comey broke protocol and commented on her emails again a week ago, the story was not, "Look how the GOP is trying to…

I feel they were biased in another, more insidious way (and they went along with it). Trump has carefully crafter a persona for himself over the years (perhaps even accidentally, by virtue of his personality), where he can pretty much say anything (and especially things no other candidate would ever be able to say without saying goodbye to any chance at election), and the media (and people) will just go "oh, well, sure he said some racist, sexist things, but that's just Trump... you know how he is". Kind of like that racist uncle at the dinner table... you gotta put up with it, but at least he's family, so you understand him better, and perhaps realize he has other redeeming qualities.

So, this has allowed Trump to appeal to bases of people no other candidate could even hope to reach, with the current "acceptable" rhetoric.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by dmux »

mindcrime wrote: post #549

Threads here are all over the place, and I guess there's a lot that can be said in response to Trump's election. So I'll just chime in with this, which is a hasty, from-memory, partial rehash of something I posted on Facebook earlier. If you have a problem with Trump being elected, or with our political system as it is in general, consider this old saw "If you keep doing what you've been doing, you'll keep getting wh…

>"If you keep doing what you've been doing, you'll keep getting what you've been getting."

In George Carlin's skit about not voting, he says "garbage in, garbage out" when referring to our politicians. We get what we deserve.

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