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Is it a good idea to invest a little money now that the market plunged?

Is it really plunging?

It's been a few hours since your comment, but right now (about 5hrs later) the market seems to be having a bit of an uptick actually:

https://finance.yahoo.com/chart/%5EDJI#eyJjb21wYXJpc29ucyI6I...

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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May be, just may be, after these elections the USA will pause and think about how we got here in the first place? when the only choices we got left are the "same old crooked politician" vs "egocentric billionaire with bathroom fixtures made of gold".

As George Carlin would say: "This is the best we got folks. These are the best people the country got to offer! So.. ENJOY the circus!!"

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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So the world's most liveable city is Melbourne, Australia, we're very far from Trump, much further than Canada, VC firms and tech startups are more than welcome to come on over and enjoy the best quality of life on offer! Hehe

Australia's full of things that will bite you, sting you or just downright eat you. Come to New Zealand instead. You can always pop across the ditch for the weekend whenever you want.

I've never been to either, but I was under the impression that in both Australia and NZ, there were lots of critters willing to bite/sting you without notice.

I know that a lot of countries on earth have nasty little things lurking around, but is it really that much more dangerous in Australia than in NZ then?

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Such a watershed moment. A few things strike me: * A Republican just won without being very religious and being wishy-washy on abortion. * The loser out-spent the winner by huge amounts. Does money really buy elections? Maybe, but not this one. * The rich abandoned Republicans, but many poor and working-class abandoned Democrats. [1] 1: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/e...

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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Such a watershed moment. A few things strike me: * A Republican just won without being very religious and being wishy-washy on abortion. * The loser out-spent the winner by huge amounts. Does money really buy elections? Maybe, but not this one. * The rich abandoned Republicans, but many poor and working-class abandoned Democrats. [1] 1: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/e...

Trump and is running mate Pence want to appeal Roe vs Wade, I wouldn't exactly call that "wishy-washy" on abortion. Given the rest of his political standing it's pretty clear that putting women's rights back a few decades is definitely on his agenda.

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I hate democracy. Most voters aren't informed at all. Attractive candidates win 2.5 times more often than less attractive ones. Money and crappy 30 second ads apparently influence the outcome. First past the post voting means no one can even vote for what they really want to begin with. It wouldn't be so bad if the president didn't have enormous power. And they aren't supposed to. But it's been growing so much over t…

I'd like to offer a more optimistic view.

The true advantages of democracy are things that are rarely talked about and which people are mostly unaware. In my opinion, they are:

1. The availability of non-violent ways to push for change and seek redress.

2. A way to reliably and peacefully transition from one leader to another.

These are big problems with non-democratic governments. If people don't feel like they have a chance to change the system from within, they'll eventually resort to violence. If there isn't a widely agreed upon way to choose the next leader and transition power to them, then there will be succession struggles.

In a healthy democracy, people are encouraged to seek change politically, and the people accept the outcome whatever it may be.

As Scott Alexander put it in his Anti-Reactionary FAQ: "If you remember nothing else about the superiority of democracies to other forms of government, remember the fact that in three years, we will have a change of leadership and almost no one is stocking up on canned goods to prepare for the inevitable civil war."

Note that these advantages do not depend on making good choices. They only require the availability of choices, and widespread acceptance of the outcomes. Obviously, making good choices would be really nice, but they aren't the best feature of the system.

This is actually what troubles me most about Trump. Bad policies and terrible morals are one thing, but he directly attacked the very notion of democracy itself. All the talk of the election being rigged and perhaps not accepting the results is setting up his followers to reject the entire system, not just his opponents. And I find myself sincerely wondering if he'd willingly leave office in 2021 if he loses the next time around, or in 2025 if he wins.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

#868

Such a watershed moment. A few things strike me: * A Republican just won without being very religious and being wishy-washy on abortion. * The loser out-spent the winner by huge amounts. Does money really buy elections? Maybe, but not this one. * The rich abandoned Republicans, but many poor and working-class abandoned Democrats. [1] 1: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/e...

Now that religious social issues like gay marriage and abortion have been essentially settled, we have been in the beginning of a trend where left-wing politics begins to align with religion. We are already seeing with people using religious arguments for things like social programs and environmentalism. FFS the Pope said people should vote for Hillary.

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It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

slight nitpick: acceptance speech

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Whelp, on the bright side future historians will now have an easy way to mark the decline of the United States. I feel totally numb. As an American, I could not be any more disappointed in the people of this country.

I'm sorry to hear they don't live up to your standards. I'm feeling rather excited that Americans decided to take a gamble.

I"m glad we didn't elect a corrupt politician. Trump's a gamble, but it's a better choice.

#SilentMajority made their minds clear today.

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