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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by hyperdunc »

mcjiggerlog wrote: post #749
CptJamesCook wrote: post #604

Please stop calling people you don't agree with racist and sexist. It's wrong, it's mean, and it does not seem to have the desired effect. Human beings are basically good. We are trying to go about our lives and do the best we can. The vast majority of us are neither sexist nor racist.

I hate this view. I think you're just trying to be balanced, but really you are legitimising views that ARE racist and sexist by saying things like this.

The point is that these words are overused, and are used to label people and shut down conversation.

If confronted by a true racist or sexist, the decent thing would be to engage in honest conversation. But people don't seem very interested in understanding other points of view.

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Post by zaphar »

defen wrote: post #825
nostrademons wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something I've been wondering about: We're seeing this pattern where the coasts of many countries are cosmopolitan and well-integrated into the world economy, but the interiors are very conservative and nationalistic. Scotland & London vs. Wales & the rest of Britain. The U.S. West Coast & Northeast vs. the Farm Belt, Rust Belt, and Mountain states. Croatia & Slovenia vs. the rest of Yugoslavia. The Baltic Republics…

> On one of my teams of 10 people at Google, we had immigrants from Iceland, England, Vietnam, China, Taiwan, and India, and I was the only native-born American citizen. California would sooner secede than deport all of its immigrants. If you think the immigration debate is about Google employees, I think you don't understand the immigration debate. > If push came to shove and the interior decided to push a nativist,…

He didn't say that the debate was about Google employees. He said that Google is affected by the debate. This is a big difference and is increasingly relevant.

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Post by notacoward »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #103
thewarrior wrote: post #44

It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

As a brown Indian dude, it seems to me that the western world is caught in some self-hating loop. It simultaneously trivializes my culture while hating its own culture. I watched Justin Trudeau dance the bhangra and people claim "oh what beautiful Indian culture". I've seen people eat butter chicken to partake in "Indian culture" experiences. That's just wrong. Indian culture - any culture - is far, far more than a d…

> Indian culture - any culture - is far, far more than a dance or some dish.

I think most people understand that. What do you think would be an improvement? Surely not that they fail even to appreciate the dance or the dish. It's not likely that they'll embark on a years-long quest to understand the deeper history, religion etc. of a dozen different cultures. What, really, would you have them do? Without a suggestion, you're just bashing.

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Post by TheGirondin »

nostrademons wrote: post #327
thewarrior wrote: post #44

It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

Something I've been wondering about: We're seeing this pattern where the coasts of many countries are cosmopolitan and well-integrated into the world economy, but the interiors are very conservative and nationalistic. Scotland & London vs. Wales & the rest of Britain. The U.S. West Coast & Northeast vs. the Farm Belt, Rust Belt, and Mountain states. Croatia & Slovenia vs. the rest of Yugoslavia. The Baltic Republics…

> On one of my teams of 10 people at Google, we had immigrants from Iceland, England, Vietnam, China, Taiwan, and India, and I was the only native-born American citizen. California would sooner secede than deport all of its immigrants.

No one wants to send legal immigrants on your team back their countries of origin. Blue collar, unskilled laborers want to stop the influx of unskilled laborers and illegal immigrants who 1) take their jobs and depress their wages and 2) take up resources from social programs.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by d--b »

cryptica wrote: post #832

I'm surprised by how many of my non-US friends are calling Americans 'Stupid' right now on social media for voting for Trump. I think that the Trump victory actually shows the opposite; that Americans are smart enough to think for themselves regardless of what the media tells them. They got to the meat of the information without buying into all the spin that the media put around it. I strongly disagree with several t…

You don't think this is the results of years of twisted information by news outlet like fox news and friends? I mean we're talking mostly white people living in the countryside voting to curb illegal immigration. We're talking about fairly unwealthy people voting for a tax-evading billionaire because they relate to him as a simple man. The media has a role to play for sure, but it's not as simple as "at least people aren't spoon fed left-leaning media bullshit."

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Post by mikeash »

icedchocolate wrote: post #284

Honestly Brexit and Trump both tell me that democracy doesn't work, because the majority of the population is undereducated, bigoted, and has absolutely no idea about how to run an economy - it makes no sense for the working class who don't understand the most basic of economic concepts to influence how the economy is run. I hope he doesn't screw America's economy by preventing skilled immigrants coming in and helpin…

It looks like Clinton will win the popular vote, so at least part of the blame rests with quaint 18th century notions of "democracy" rather than with the electorate.

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Post by vinaybn »

cryptica wrote: post #832

I'm surprised by how many of my non-US friends are calling Americans 'Stupid' right now on social media for voting for Trump. I think that the Trump victory actually shows the opposite; that Americans are smart enough to think for themselves regardless of what the media tells them. They got to the meat of the information without buying into all the spin that the media put around it. I strongly disagree with several t…

It shouldn't be surprising though, because outsiders would only know as much as the media tells them. They have no vested interest, like the citizens do, in making an informed decision

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Post by JBReefer »

BlackjackCF wrote: post #193
nopinsight wrote: post #144

Brexit and the Trump election share the same root causes: * Inequality within developed countries, leading to dissatisfaction among working-class voters. * Globalization benefits accrue largely to capital owners, leaving a lot of workers behind. Many blame immigration since it is the most visible cause. The blame is partly backed by human's xenophobic instincts. Ironically, Trump's tax plan will mostly benefit the ri…

Well, there's that saying about how the poor in America think of themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires...

That's ironic, because that quote means the exact opposite of what people think:

“Except for the field organizers of strikes, who were pretty tough monkeys and devoted, most of the so-called Communists I met were middle-class, middle-aged people playing a game of dreams. I remember a woman in easy circumstances saying to another even more affluent: ‘After the revolution even we will have more, won’t we, dear?’ Then there was another lover of proletarians who used to raise hell with Sunday picknickers on her property. "I guess the trouble was that we didn’t have any self-admitted proletarians. Everyone was a temporarily embarrassed capitalist. Maybe the Communists so closely questioned by the investigation committees were a danger to America, but the ones I knew—at least they claimed to be Communists—couldn’t have disrupted a Sunday-school picnic. Besides they were too busy fighting among themselves.”

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Post by discardorama »

hubert123 wrote: post #82
acjohnson55 wrote: post #52

This is utter madness. If we're lucky, this wheels fall off this whole enterprise and these people are discredited before they do too much harm. It's deeply frustrating to hear so much crap analysis of what's been going on. If we're really honest with ourselves about what's happening, we're seeing a massive vote for protectionism of a particular demographics that have long enjoyed it. People talk a lot about the forg…

> To be really blunt, Trump's entire track record says "if you're white and wealthy, I've obviously got your back", and his words have said, "if you're white and struggling, it's brown people who stand in your way". In that way, he's managed to get an extremely energetic white vote. yeah and exactly because of this kind of insane, bogus "analysis" you lost. When or if you find back the connection to reality, you will…

> Trump actually won. By talking about real issues that nobody else even dares to touch.

Like Obama's birth certificate? Or Benghazi?

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