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Re: Ask HN: POTUS Donald Trump; What this means to Silicon Valley

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Post by gspetr »

padraic7a wrote: post #109
cs02rm0 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tread carefully; while I suspect most of Europe doesn't care too much about Trump, the media and rest of the left wing in the UK labelled anyone pro-Brexit as ultra-right wing / neo Nazi types - they're still being called uneducated and racist by presenters on TV as I'm typing this. Then the vote for Brexit won a majority. They're not all scum at the extreme end of a political spectrum. If France goes down the same n…

The media are not the left. While individual publications might be exceptions to the rule generally the media are to the right of centre in Europe.

> The media are not the left.

They most definitely are.

Consider the media closely working with the White House now, Obama's "entourage". Not one of them is Republican.

Re: Ask HN: POTUS Donald Trump; What this means to Silicon Valley

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Post by [deleted] »

pavlov wrote: post #114
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or easier. Hillary is a face of western corruption to much of the world. So long as Trump delegates the tech stuff properly and doesn't do anything too unusual the moral choice of the US should be easier.

Hillary is a face of western corruption to much of the world. No, to 99% of the rest of the world she's just a former Secretary of State and the wife of a former president whose era is often viewed through a nostalgic lens compared to current turmoil. Fox News doesn't broadcast outside USA, you know.

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Re: Ask HN: POTUS Donald Trump; What this means to Silicon Valley

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Post by rurban »

croon wrote: post #89
rurban wrote: post #52

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Actually it will be easier. I was very worried about a Clinton, but with Trump I hope for more legality and fairness in the processes. And the visa caps may get raised, so less cheap workers will flood the quotas, and more good devs will have a chance. The Trump bashing in Europe was evil though. As they preferred to have another criminal presidency, with enough leverage on them to blackmail them on everything. As it…

So you elected a politically inexperienced criminal instead. Brilliant.

So far we have only proof of Hillary's criminality thanks to Wikileaks, nothing for Trump.

Re: Ask HN: POTUS Donald Trump; What this means to Silicon Valley

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Post by sangnoir »

tajen wrote: post #84
willvarfar wrote: post #17

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American tech manufacturing is outsourced to Asia, right? Will a trade war with China, for example, impact gadget production and raise costs and lower demand for the gadgets that the valley produces and profits from? If there are trade-barbs with China then I would expect that to hit the valley hard.

Low factory jobs may come back to US, hopefull with better pay than in China and selling gadgets at a higher price point, while China starts focussing on producing for their own population. I look at this quite optimistically, as it makes end-user price closer to the real cost of production, and it makes production local which brings the concerns for extremely-poor workers closer to the consumer. In other words, no-o…

> while China starts focussing on producing for their own population

It's already doing that, which is why US companies are tripping over themselves as they scramble to get in on the Chinese market

Re: Ask HN: POTUS Donald Trump; What this means to Silicon Valley

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Post by croon »

rurban wrote: post #123
croon wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you elected a politically inexperienced criminal instead. Brilliant.

So far we have only proof of Hillary's criminality thanks to Wikileaks, nothing for Trump.

You mean the torch/pitchfork mob has "proof" of it, much like the witch burning sheriffs of yesteryear. Either way, neither of them are getting convicted of anything, but not because Clinton is especially colluding, and that Trump is clean, but because they're both rich white people.

But if you actually believe your second part, you've obviously only acted towards your own confirmation bias and are incapable of seeing truth.

* Deleting of emails against a court order [1]

* Scamming students out of money [2]

* Refusing to pay workers [3]

* Violating visa rules [4]

* Violating the Cuba embargo [5]

etc etc...

[1] http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-de...

[2] http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/trump-un...

[3] http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/0...

[4] https://apnews.com/37dc7aef0ce44077930b7436be7bfd0d

[5] http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-trump-cuban-embargo-castro...

Re: Ask HN: POTUS Donald Trump; What this means to Silicon Valley

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Post by Normal_gaussian »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #34
onion2k wrote: post #15

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Hillary is a face of western corruption to much of the world. That's not even slightly true here in the UK.

The UK is part of the west. He's talking about the face of corruption from Russia's point of view.

I'm not actually. It was a reference towards the belief of many but not most that most of the west is dominated by a special political class that strikes underhand and immoral deals which they justify through the claim that they were democratically elected despite not having been elected for anything resembling those actions (often completely ignoring things they were elected for) and despite the process through which they were elected not actually being 'completely' democratic.

For these people Hillary and her ilk represent a local minima, and votes for her a stagnation or move away from actual democracy. The harm Trump will cause is indefinite and the claims that have been made are hard to substantiate, whilst he is obviously not an ideal POTUS it is not obvious that Hillary would be better.

Re: Ask HN: POTUS Donald Trump; What this means to Silicon Valley

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Post by Normal_gaussian »

pavlov wrote: post #114
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or easier. Hillary is a face of western corruption to much of the world. So long as Trump delegates the tech stuff properly and doesn't do anything too unusual the moral choice of the US should be easier.

Hillary is a face of western corruption to much of the world. No, to 99% of the rest of the world she's just a former Secretary of State and the wife of a former president whose era is often viewed through a nostalgic lens compared to current turmoil. Fox News doesn't broadcast outside USA, you know.

I'm not from or in the USA, you know.

Re: Ask HN: POTUS Donald Trump; What this means to Silicon Valley

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Post by ubertaco »

rimantas wrote: post #91
jedberg wrote: post #88

The only policy position he really made clear that would affect SV was that he said he would find a way to severely punish Apple for making their devices in China. Whether he follows through and has congressional support is to be seen.

No other US company makes anything in China?

For instance, various Trump brands manufacture heavily in China.

Re: Ask HN: POTUS Donald Trump; What this means to Silicon Valley

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Post by jules »

jedberg wrote: post #82
android521 wrote: post #21

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let's hope that Peter Thiel can use his influence to do some good and not just for himself.

Why would he? He's a hardcore Libertarian. His core philosophy is "do good for myself and the world will be better". The only way he'll help anyone else is if their interests happened to be aligned with his. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the guy (barring recent endorsements) but you have to understand where his philosophical basis is.

Is that true? In his speech the other day he was arguing for a very moderate kind of libertarianism.

Re: Ask HN: POTUS Donald Trump; What this means to Silicon Valley

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Post by janoc »

gspetr wrote: post #119
janoc wrote: post #74

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Not true here in France or most of Europe, for that matter. The only people happy about Trump is ultra-right wing/neo nazi panopticon of odd figures - Wilders, Le Pen, Farage, Orban ... Really the "crème de la crème" of Europe. And, of course, Putin. The rest is worried now - people are seriously questioning what happens, for example with NATO, after Trump's remarks on not unconditionally supporting the allies. Is Tr…

You are out of touch. Silencing people you don't agree with by calling them misogynist, racist, sexist, etc. and expecting them to convert to your side does not work. Marginalizing them does not work. Not in Europe. (Brexit) Not in the US. (President) This strategy is 0 for 2. "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Not only that, but you are also wrong on facts. There is…

This is hardly about silencing anyone. But I refuse to not call racism racism only because it could offend someone.

Wasn't it Trump who has the been the biggest opponent of the political correctness? That cuts both ways, you know.

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