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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

_gfrc wrote: post #154

This is one of the issues that the social media bubble creates. We don't reach people that are different, neither do their voices reach us. We are all so connected nowadays and yet so separated.

That is only partially true.

Before, your bubble usually was the people around you, physically. You had network news and the newspapers for your information. You could read books about other countries and systems. If you had cable, you could watch the 24 hour news at the time - Cspan and similar things.

The bubble has simply shifted and become slightly more obvious.

Which really disappoints me. I was all hopeful that the internet would broaden people's bubble, but that was 20+ years ago.

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Post by guard-of-terra »

einr wrote: post #538

The Baltic Republics vs. the rest of the USSR. Just FYI, since I assume you're not very familiar with these countries: this kind of lumping together the so-called "Baltic Republics" with the "USSR" is generally very offensive to Estonians, Lithuanians and Latvians, who have nothing to do ethnically or culturally with Russia and generally view the Soviet era as very dark times. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were invad…

They were a part of Russian Empire for quite some time. Also Latvian sharpshooters were the driving armed force behind communists.

Soviet state was a catastrophe you don't get to opt out.

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Post by pavlov »

With the Senate and House controlled by Republicans, Trump has an enormous mandate now. Nothing stands in the way of his delivering on his campaign promises.

We know he loves to assign blame to anyone but himself. He doesn't take responsibility for mistakes. That's been proven over and over again, by everyone from business partners to former wives.

In four years when America hasn't become "great again", who is he going to blame? That's the really scary part to me. Electing a populist isn't when things go off the rails -- it's when the in-power populists start looking for scapegoats.

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Post by gutnor »

thewarrior wrote: post #44

It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

> Also people seem to care a LOT about immigration and preserving their culture.

I believe their care about that because they have nothing else to look forward to.

(Lower-)Middle class in the West has been funding prosperity around the world (can't find the chart at the moment). Basically every social class everywhere in the world is better off than 30 years ago, except middle class in the Western world.

There is this generation that have less than their parents and know that their children will have even less. They cling to what they have, this nebulous identity/culture. And a bunch of populist politician is just happy to give them that.

What they really need is prosperity. Very few care about their neighbors beliefs when life is good. People living in cities like London demonstrate that: they are way more liberal because being liberal does not (seem to) cost them a lot.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

jondubois wrote: post #527
pmoriarty wrote: post #160

It will be most interesting to see the fallout from this on the Republican side. Will there be consequences for all those high level Republicans who dared to publicly come out against Trump? Will they still be against Trump now that he's won, or will they start supporting him all of a sudden? I, for one, can't see any scenario where Trump is as mild and easy going once he has power than he's been when trying to get t…

I hope they get replaced. I think that's the whole point of Trump; to give politics a good flush.

The thing is that most of these folks were elected officials. So he'd have to get them voted out. He can, of course, not appoint them to seats and things like that.

Those that aren't politicians? Unless they are in a position where he has some control over their career, there isn't much he can do.

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Post by zamalek »

curioussavage wrote: post #529
ctvo wrote: post #95

Grew up in the US. I'm a minority. I think this is the only time in my life I've ever felt like I didn't belong in America. Tonight a large portion of the country confirmed that the US is for whites. That it's not a melting pot. This demographic has been angry for a generation because they've felt like their culture, their socio-economic status and way of life is slipping away and this election (after 8 years of a bl…

I think this attitude drove more people to trump. The real reasons most people voted for him were things like party loyalty, they dislike Hillary, perceived him as anti establishment etc etc. People like you took the narrative from the big news networks of the mass numbers of bigots and racists and just ran with it. Problem was that story smelled like bull, which pushed more people to his camp.

The extreme/regressive left was too busy frothing about white tyranny to pay attention to the true tyrant, Trump, "he'll never get voted in." At the same time, the majority of that vote was being called names. Hillary made the mistake of constructing her lies in order to gain favor with the loudest crowd.

I'm very far left and completely agree with you. The American left is an abysmal disgrace in terms of what I consider social progress. Instead of attempting to spread progressive thinking, the American left spreads hatred and name calling.

Next time try making friends and not enemies. More of this[1] and less of this[2].

[1]: http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2016/july/how-one-black-blues... [2]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/liberal-but-not-tole...

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Post by aldanor »

kislotnik wrote: post #653
einr wrote: post #538

The Baltic Republics vs. the rest of the USSR. Just FYI, since I assume you're not very familiar with these countries: this kind of lumping together the so-called "Baltic Republics" with the "USSR" is generally very offensive to Estonians, Lithuanians and Latvians, who have nothing to do ethnically or culturally with Russia and generally view the Soviet era as very dark times. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were invad…

Don't forget Ukraine, bro. Now we're trying to keep distance from Russia as far as we can. We had some shared history, but that's only because of our geographical proximity. Everything else - culture, traditions, ideas, language, folklore and literature is different.

Ukraine was pretty much never independent.

No shared history, with Kiev having been capital of Russia for 3-4 centuries?

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Post by rafinha »

PeterStuer wrote: post #570

I personally believe Clinton was almost uniquely qualified as the only democrat that could lose this election from Trump. The political establishment underestimates the underlying resentment. "The winners know that they’re winning but have been very slow to realize that the losers know that they’re losing and are enraged about the fact." The linked article, put in hash words but look beyond that, was written after th…

Very true. Allow me to add the fact that it has been shown (via wikileaks) that Hillary and the DNC conspired in the primaries process, specially against Bernie Sanders, invalidating her even more in the final voting.

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Post by moduspol »

intopieces wrote: post #196
thewarrior wrote: post #44

It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

>Instead of patronising these people it's time we tried to understand their concerns and try to assuage them. I use to think this too, before this election. But it became clear to me that the "other side" is not interested in being assuaged. They are not interested in facts, or empathy, or calmly discussing how to face an uncertain and complex world. They are interested in control. Interested in hiring whatever stron…

> But it became clear to me that the "other side" is not interested in being assuaged. They are not interested in facts, or empathy, or calmly discussing how to face an uncertain and complex world.

Yep. We're all racists and xenophobes and our views have no rational basis. Please feel free to make sweeping judgments about what anyone who voted against Hillary Clinton must be thinking.

Please keep up this rhetoric so we can win in 2020, too!

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