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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by creshal » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 10:22 AM UTC

crottypeter wrote: post #566

einr wrote: post #538

The Baltic Republics vs. the rest of the USSR. Just FYI, since I assume you're not very familiar with these countries: this kind of lumping together the so-called "Baltic Republics" with the "USSR" is generally very offensive to Estonians, Lithuanians and Latvians, who have nothing to do ethnically or culturally with Russia and generally view the Soviet era as very dark times. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were invad…

Isn't that the point of the parent post? The two regions are very different.

No, because they never had any ties to Russia to begin with.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by hogrammer » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 10:22 AM UTC

I think people are sick and tired of the attacks on Free Expression that come from the left. It culminated in Frankenstein's Monsters like "trigglypuff״.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by xyzzy123 » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 10:23 AM UTC

jakebasile wrote: post #371

icedchocolate wrote: post #284

Honestly Brexit and Trump both tell me that democracy doesn't work, because the majority of the population is undereducated, bigoted, and has absolutely no idea about how to run an economy - it makes no sense for the working class who don't understand the most basic of economic concepts to influence how the economy is run. I hope he doesn't screw America's economy by preventing skilled immigrants coming in and helpin…

Can you cite an example where a modern dictatorship substantially improved its subject's lives? This kind of demeaning talk is what got us here. Most people are, by definition, of nearly average intelligence. And someone's intellect doesn't preclude them from the right to have a voice in how they are governed just because they disagree with you. I voted for Clinton, so I'm just as disappointed as you are. Let's work…

Singapore?

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 10:23 AM UTC

nostrademons wrote: post #327

thewarrior wrote: post #44

It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

Something I've been wondering about: We're seeing this pattern where the coasts of many countries are cosmopolitan and well-integrated into the world economy, but the interiors are very conservative and nationalistic. Scotland & London vs. Wales & the rest of Britain. The U.S. West Coast & Northeast vs. the Farm Belt, Rust Belt, and Mountain states. Croatia & Slovenia vs. the rest of Yugoslavia. The Baltic Republics…

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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by dharma1 » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 10:23 AM UTC

dharma1 wrote: post #454

redial wrote: post #5

Peter Thiel is not looking so foolish right now...

Guess Palantir can look forward to a few new juicy government contracts

They must have a very good data team to have forecasted the result so much in advance ;)

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by Fang_ » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 10:23 AM UTC

thewarrior wrote: post #44

It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

>Get out of your bubble.

Would it be a stretch to say the "bubbling" that happens on the internet plays a role in causing these divides?

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by staticelf » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 10:23 AM UTC

thewarrior wrote: post #44

It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

I think you are making a great assessment and that is what fears me. I don't think your words are pretty useful on HackerNews folks in general.

My thoughts as a Swede is that I don't actually give a fuck if your president is a turd. His view on immigrations doesn't scare me, his view on NATO doesn't really scare me. Trump say he is going to invest in fossile fuels THAT scares me A LOT.

The future already looks super dark and leaders like Obama shed a tiny light on that things would turn out for the better. But now when two of the worlds largest countries doesn't really care (USA and Russia) I mean wtf. It doesn't matter what the rest of the world does if these two giants will fuck it up anyway.

Time to be a climate prepper.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by haberman » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 10:24 AM UTC

teekert wrote: post #205

thewarrior wrote: post #44

It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

I feel that the US will now, finally, focus on the US. It's time for that. Instead of their usual imperialistic attitude that involves enticing Europe to boycott Russia, taking out stability providing leaders in the middle east without much (after)thought (or the wrong kind of thought), providing weapons the the Free Syrian Army mercenaries that now fight for the better paying ISIS side (this is not stupidity, it's r…

You act as if isolationism is this new thing that Donald Trump invented.

The U.S. didn't start playing this role of World Power until it got dragged into two World Wars that were born out of nationalism and isolationism.

If the U.S. retreats from its role in the world, Russia, China, and Iran will be more than happy to fill the vacuum of power.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by einr » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 10:24 AM UTC

crottypeter wrote: post #566

einr wrote: post #538

The Baltic Republics vs. the rest of the USSR. Just FYI, since I assume you're not very familiar with these countries: this kind of lumping together the so-called "Baltic Republics" with the "USSR" is generally very offensive to Estonians, Lithuanians and Latvians, who have nothing to do ethnically or culturally with Russia and generally view the Soviet era as very dark times. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were invad…

Isn't that the point of the parent post? The two regions are very different.

So different indeed that the comparison is meaningless. That is my point. If you're going to draw conclusions from comparisons -- like the OP did with his coast/interior thing -- the things you're comparing have to be at least somewhat similar.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by einr » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 10:25 AM UTC

DominikR wrote: post #573

einr wrote: post #538

The Baltic Republics vs. the rest of the USSR. Just FYI, since I assume you're not very familiar with these countries: this kind of lumping together the so-called "Baltic Republics" with the "USSR" is generally very offensive to Estonians, Lithuanians and Latvians, who have nothing to do ethnically or culturally with Russia and generally view the Soviet era as very dark times. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were invad…

He is highlighting the difference between these regions within the Soviet Union so what's the point of you comment other than signalling political correctness? I believe that this election signals if anything, a popular rejection of political correctness to the point where discussions can't be had anymore.

The OP was trying to generalize and make conclusions about culture, politics and economy based on geography -- coast vs interior -- of regions of a larger whole. But the USSR was not a nation or a homogenous union and Estonia (for instance) having been invaded, illegally annexed and made part of the USSR at one point does not in any way make it comparable to Russia.

The point: there are a lot of very fundamental differences between these countries that are arguably more important and that would more easily account for differences in politics and economics other than geography.

(Besides, Russia has coastline, too...)

I want people to know when they rely on things that are wrong to prove a point, because that probably renders the point at least partially invalid. You can dismiss that as "signalling political correctness" but it is nevertheless the truth, and on a US-centric forum like this I think many are not aware of the situation.