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Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by oldmanjay »

simonh wrote: post #129
l33tbro wrote: post #55

Call Trump what you will, but he played the media like Hendrix. They took the troll-bait and reported every outrageous soundbite gleefully, all in pursuit of a few clicks and ad-bucks. Meanwhile, Trump gained more and more of a platform and eventually established a cult of personality.

It's not the media, it's the Republican Party. They had a tumour growing inside them and they failed to take strong action early enough to cut it out. Once Trump was the candidate for a mainstream party with an electoral machine full of people who live to serve the machine, it was too late for the Party leadership to get rid of him. The party machine went into automatic. At that point, for a Republican to reject him…

I'm not sure you understand the American mindset terribly well. Party loyalty didn't play much of a role here.

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Post by y_u_no_rust »

laichzeit0 wrote: post #232

So the LA times poll is the only poll that was right, from the beginning? Perhaps time to take their methodology seriously. Also, perhaps the extreme form of multiculturalism is a failed experiment, much like communism was a failed experiment. Time to wake up, ultra liberals.

wut?

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Post by 2sk21 »

simosx wrote: post #347

Both the BREXIT campaigners and Trump over-promised on how they will fix the financial crisis. Neither started to deliver yet, and will be seeing what they can actually do in 2017. It kinda does not make sense because their promises are either mutually exclusive (strict fiscal policy but spending) or do not play well with the rest of the world (tariffs and other trade restrictions which eventually would be matched on…

I think this is the heart of the matter. Automation and AI will ensure that many jobs will never return.

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Post by rdtsc »

orthoganol wrote: post #319
acjohnson55 wrote: post #52

This is utter madness. If we're lucky, this wheels fall off this whole enterprise and these people are discredited before they do too much harm. It's deeply frustrating to hear so much crap analysis of what's been going on. If we're really honest with ourselves about what's happening, we're seeing a massive vote for protectionism of a particular demographics that have long enjoyed it. People talk a lot about the forg…

Sincerely, I am confused by this analysis. All the media outlets have talked ad-infinitum about how Trump supporters are predominantly uneducated whites, typically from rural areas, and how college educated whites support Clinton. Hillary without question had Wall Street, Silicon Valley, and the DC circuit behind her, which are large epicenters of wealthy white, elite people. There is without doubt a terrifying aspec…

I think there are many hidden Trump voters. They might never disclose at work or among friends their choice, but I suspected many did. I was watching both the Hillary and Trump Reddit channels, and on Trumps' channel there was a constant stream of educated people (doctors, programmers, lawyers), a large number of non-whites, LGBT, ex-Bernie people there and so on.

On Hillary's side there was a constant -- "Ah look at those stupid sexists, hating us for wanting a a woman President" type of complacency.

So the result was surprising, but not too surprising at the same time.

> Bernie Sanders could have been in my opinion, easily, the president elect

Bernie would have wiped the floor with Trump, no doubt.

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Post by mrweasel »

adt2bt wrote: post #15

I, like many, did not see this coming and I am truly afraid for the future of the USA. We sure showed up Brexit, though.

Honestly, I doubt you'll have very much to worry about. Sure a few minor but very visible things may change, but overall nothing major is going to change in four years.

Much of what Trump want to do isn't something that the US can actually afford to implement. The worst thing Trump could do is the take the US in an isolationist direction, but that's not going to happen because it would hurt the wealthy people... like Trump.

One extremely positive thing that could come of all this is that the rest of the world starts taking more responsibility, and intervene earlier in conflicts, now that the support of the US military isn't guaranteed.

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Post by welanes »

Will the people who denigrated his supporters so vehemently here and on Twitter pause to ask themselves why Trump won so convincingly, and whether their reflexes to publicly shame his supporters may have played a role in the outcome?

I'd hope they would. There are many important conversations to be had but we need to begin by understanding and respecting the opinions of the other side.

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Post by mcv »

sidcool wrote: post #317

I can't fathom how people can vote for him after listening to his speeches. He might be good, but his speeches are crap. Can't vote for him. Sad day for competency.

That's the problem with democracy: a lot of people aren't very well informed, and are easily taken in by his crap. Other than investing more in education, I'm not sure what can be done about this.

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Post by rl3 »

Strilanc wrote: post #308
rl3 wrote: post #157

This election proved that virtually the entirety of the election prediction space has no idea what the hell it's doing. We live in a world of big data with vast computational resources, and this outcome is somehow an upset—a totally unexpected surprise.

538 gave more than 25% chance to Trump winning. That's losing two coin flips, not "totally unexpected".

The degree by which Trump won is the "totally unexpected" part.

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Post by laughfactory »

heifetz wrote: post #290
thewarrior wrote: post #44

It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

Trump's campaign might be anti-establishment, the people he will be bringing in will not be. Jeff Sessions Giuliani Christy just to name three of his "inner circle" I cross my fingers that we will get through the next 4 years without any significant events. However, I think this is really a black eye in America. I think right now at least, we're going to be the butt of jokes for the rest of the world. Lets hope he pr…

I noticed the same thing about how how establishment his "team" is. I predict that what we've elected as a nation is, in fact, a fairly run of the mill establishment Republican. But I guess we'll find out!
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