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Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by ryanhuff »

ctvo wrote: post #95

Grew up in the US. I'm a minority. I think this is the only time in my life I've ever felt like I didn't belong in America. Tonight a large portion of the country confirmed that the US is for whites. That it's not a melting pot. This demographic has been angry for a generation because they've felt like their culture, their socio-economic status and way of life is slipping away and this election (after 8 years of a bl…

I think you need to let things sink in a bit. There often seems to be an element of panic with the losing side of these presidential elections, but life goes on.

Ignoring the characters involved in this campaign, at a basic level, this sort of party switch is pretty normal, as there is often a party change once the President completes his second term. Its a pendulum swinging from left to right and back again. Reagan to Bush was an exception, but we know what happened with his re-election attempt. So, in 4 or 8 years, I wouldn't be surprised if things moved back to the left.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by mikeyouse »

gragas wrote: post #329
jrockway wrote: post #83

Who knew that not paying any taxes, asking your "second amendment people" to finish off your opponent, and using your position of power and authority to sexually assault people could lead to becoming the most powerful person in the free world. We live in the darkest of times.

You're delusional. Trump has paid more in taxes than you will make in your entire life. Perhaps not income taxes, but some form or another. He'd be in jail if he broke the law.

Yes, we all know that the extremely wealthy who break financial laws always see justice and punishment.

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Post by AstralStorm »

Zpalmtree wrote: post #286
nopinsight wrote: post #144

Brexit and the Trump election share the same root causes: * Inequality within developed countries, leading to dissatisfaction among working-class voters. * Globalization benefits accrue largely to capital owners, leaving a lot of workers behind. Many blame immigration since it is the most visible cause. The blame is partly backed by human's xenophobic instincts. Ironically, Trump's tax plan will mostly benefit the ri…

>Tax's lowering for everyone == mostly benefit the rich What?

US is above its head in debt right now, on par with states like Spain or Greece.

Lowering the tax means it will be less money, meaning less social initiatives that benefit the poorer such as Medicare. Making taxes more progressive would work.

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Post by Florin_Andrei »

Beltiras wrote: post #180

Can we stop referring to the wisdom of crowds now?

> Can we stop referring to the wisdom of crowds now?

The crowds are "wise" on the most base, trivial issues.

Now give them world-spanning complexity and crowds turn into complete idiots.

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Post by mistermumble »

BlackjackCF wrote: post #193
nopinsight wrote: post #144

Brexit and the Trump election share the same root causes: * Inequality within developed countries, leading to dissatisfaction among working-class voters. * Globalization benefits accrue largely to capital owners, leaving a lot of workers behind. Many blame immigration since it is the most visible cause. The blame is partly backed by human's xenophobic instincts. Ironically, Trump's tax plan will mostly benefit the ri…

Well, there's that saying about how the poor in America think of themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires...

Poor whites in America seem to identify with rich whites more than others from different races who are working (or unemployed) right next to them.

To them, Trump is like the star NFL quarterback that everyone wishes to be, and wears that star's jersey on their back. Even if the fan is overweight and can barely waddle across the parking lot.

Except that in reality Trump does not have the skills necessary to do the job. (He is a great candidate, but will likely be a terrible president). Someone observed that Trump is a poor person's idea of a rich person. He is unfortunately likely a disenfranchised person's idea of an effective president.

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Post by 2sk21 »

prawn wrote: post #314
nopinsight wrote: post #144

Brexit and the Trump election share the same root causes: * Inequality within developed countries, leading to dissatisfaction among working-class voters. * Globalization benefits accrue largely to capital owners, leaving a lot of workers behind. Many blame immigration since it is the most visible cause. The blame is partly backed by human's xenophobic instincts. Ironically, Trump's tax plan will mostly benefit the ri…

Inequality should've been the/a big issue, but I don't think it was. I think this was driven very strongly by "human's xenophobic instincts".

Inequality and xenophobia are not mutually exclusive. One way in which resentment of inequality is expressed is in the form of xenophobia.

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Post by quonn »

gragas wrote: post #329
jrockway wrote: post #83

Who knew that not paying any taxes, asking your "second amendment people" to finish off your opponent, and using your position of power and authority to sexually assault people could lead to becoming the most powerful person in the free world. We live in the darkest of times.

You're delusional. Trump has paid more in taxes than you will make in your entire life. Perhaps not income taxes, but some form or another. He'd be in jail if he broke the law.

He made his money within a society. Money is not necessarily adding value (increasing the pie), it is also just shifted around. If his income were distributed more equally between many others who would instead pay taxes, the amount of taxes would be far, far higher.

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Post by rdtsc »

qyv wrote: post #244
acjohnson55 wrote: post #52

This is utter madness. If we're lucky, this wheels fall off this whole enterprise and these people are discredited before they do too much harm. It's deeply frustrating to hear so much crap analysis of what's been going on. If we're really honest with ourselves about what's happening, we're seeing a massive vote for protectionism of a particular demographics that have long enjoyed it. People talk a lot about the forg…

Disclosure: Canadian here. Trump won because the Democrats railroaded their best candidate in favor of someone who is profoundly unlikeable and untrustworthy. Regardless of if she is truly a criminal, or not, the Democratic party choose a candidate who is under investigation by the FBI instead of a candidate that had real honest to god connection with the working people of the country. The voters have literally said…

They should have woken up quickly when they noticed Bernie's level of support. He wasn't supposed to be that popular. Especially with younger people. On paper it looked like "oh she's a woman, young people would like that". When it didn't happen, it was time to listen, not throw everyone from that camp under the bus.

I don't even know how DNC will recover from that. It is viewed as a failure, a cesspool of corruption and anyone with morals would stay away from it.

> This election was lost, not won.

So true. They had it in their pocket. Bernie would have wiped the floor with Trump. But of course corruption gets in the way...

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