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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by mikeyouse »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #136
thewarrior wrote: post #44

It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

I think she couldn't mobilize the black vote because of what the clinton foundation did to Haiti https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/11/what-the-clintons-did... also they are quite pro-business and somehow it all looks quite colonial https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/08/the-clinton-foundatio... Calling your opponents deplorable also did not help. i for one welcome our new orange overlord also twitter and youtube se…

Black Americans didn't vote for Hillary Clinton because Bill Clinton lobbied against a minimum wage increase in Haiti? That seems a bit far fetched...

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Post by astrodust »

melling wrote: post #67
sho_hn wrote: post #14

So as a European ... Clinton didn't spend enough time in the Upper Midwest expecting to carry those states, but Trump had an actual message for them (NAFTA, etc.) while Hillary didn't, and they don't care that he is racist and sexist, they want their jobs back, so the election was called by a 40+ white demo in an economically depressed region just like old Middle England called Brexit. About right?

It's the economy, stupid. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid

Just wait until the economy actually gets bad. Given how the markets are reacting, that'll be sooner than anyone expected.

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Post by postmeta »

ericras wrote: post #242
ctvo wrote: post #95

Grew up in the US. I'm a minority. I think this is the only time in my life I've ever felt like I didn't belong in America. Tonight a large portion of the country confirmed that the US is for whites. That it's not a melting pot. This demographic has been angry for a generation because they've felt like their culture, their socio-economic status and way of life is slipping away and this election (after 8 years of a bl…

I'm a white Trump voter in flyover country. You belong in America as do all Americans. This was a push back against an out of touch corrupt elite in Washington and mass immigration. Not all immigration, but the massive increases of the past several decades. Yes, we do want to preserve the culture - not white culture but American culture. I fully expect that Trump will reach out and moderate. If not, there's always an…

Illegal immigrants ballooned under Bush and decreased under Obama... thanks Obama.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/03/5-facts-abou...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/why-is-t...

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by thesimpsons1022 »

esja wrote: post #331
esja wrote: post #294

I didn't want this to happen, but I believed it would. There were a lot of signals, for those ignoring the group-think. e.g. Clinton needed a lot more help than Trump to get big crowds to her rallies, and Obama had to get involved at the last minute in allegedly "safe" states. There is deep frustration with our economic system, which isn't being addressed. Clinton is unfortunately a very clear embodiment of the curre…

Just to add: Trump won despite being massively out-spent, despite his party being against his nomination, despite the entire mainstream media being against him, despite his business "issues", and despite all the publicised gaffes and scandals. In the face of that he seems to have won significantly more of the "white women" vote than Clinton. Anyone seriously believing he won due to bigotry etc. needs to reassess. The…

you had no argument he didn't win off bigotry. all you said was "USA is a better country than that". Too bad it isn't. Half the country is in fact uneducated racist bigots. they can have the country for 4 years and democrats can try to obstruct it.

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Post by mcv »

gragas wrote: post #329
jrockway wrote: post #83

Who knew that not paying any taxes, asking your "second amendment people" to finish off your opponent, and using your position of power and authority to sexually assault people could lead to becoming the most powerful person in the free world. We live in the darkest of times.

You're delusional. Trump has paid more in taxes than you will make in your entire life. Perhaps not income taxes, but some form or another. He'd be in jail if he broke the law.

> He'd be in jail if he broke the law.

Unless he bribes the prosecutor, of course.

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Post by simosx »

Both the BREXIT campaigners and Trump over-promised on how they will fix the financial crisis.

Neither started to deliver yet, and will be seeing what they can actually do in 2017.

It kinda does not make sense because their promises are either mutually exclusive (strict fiscal policy but spending) or do not play well with the rest of the world (tariffs and other trade restrictions which eventually would be matched on the other side).

In many smaller countries, the politicians would run a whole campaign on the disaffected feeling and over-promising on how good they will be in fixing it. Once they were in power however, they would not achieve much and the next party would over-promise in order to get elected.

In the following years we will witness how over-promising will play with a super-power.

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Post by thesimpsons1022 »

Kadin wrote: post #259
nickpp wrote: post #140

I don't think Donald Trump won these elections. Rather Hillary Clinton lost them.

I've never been much of an HRC fan, but it's hard to see what she could have done differently, based on the information available. Aside from "don't be Hillary Clinton, with all the baggage that involves", of course. A candidate less well-known to the public might have done better in a "change"-focused election. But she pretty much ran a campaign according to all the best practices, and lost to a guy who basically di…

she never decided to give a credible reason to vote for her other than Trump is awful.

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Post by archagon »

dibstern wrote: post #147

So the world's most liveable city is Melbourne, Australia, we're very far from Trump, much further than Canada, VC firms and tech startups are more than welcome to come on over and enjoy the best quality of life on offer! Hehe

Serious question: any tips on going through with this? I don't think I can stand to stay in the US any longer.

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Post by rayval »

wtallis wrote: post #141
nostromo wrote: post #51

Such a watershed moment. A few things strike me: * A Republican just won without being very religious and being wishy-washy on abortion. * The loser out-spent the winner by huge amounts. Does money really buy elections? Maybe, but not this one. * The rich abandoned Republicans, but many poor and working-class abandoned Democrats. [1] 1: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/e...

> "The loser out-spent the winner by huge amounts. Does money really buy elections? Maybe, but not this one." I would have said attention buys elections, and Trump was the kind of candidate that had the media tripping over themselves to give him free coverage. That definitely seems to explain the primary season, but the general election campaign turned things around a bit by consisting almost solely of negative atten…

The "free media" given to Trump throughout the election process has been estimated at $3B, just in the primary season alone.

See http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-has-gotten-nearly-3-b...

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