Well tens of millions of "stupid hicks" are about to lose their health insurance. How is that for a "good fact"? Sorry for being smug.
They effectively lost it with the implementation of Obamacare. The premiums and deductibles are so high that the plans only really protect against catastrophic loss for an obscene monthly cost.
The smug style in American liberalism
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#33Yes, liberals in America are all smug and holier-than-thou, unlike their ideological opponents, who really listen to what you have to say and never judge you ahead of time. And, of course, they never pass comment on how a person looks.
You don't get to claim the moral high ground and use the tactics of the opposition at the same time.
Clinton largely campaigned on shame and fear, and the midwest felt too left behind to care about that.
Re: The smug style in American liberalism
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, the article isn't very good. In essence, it reverses the direction of "holier than thou". However, it raises an excellent point. The United States is not going to get anywhere if half the country looks down on the other half as a bunch of plebs, and in response the "plebs" disdain the elites. (I understand that this is a gross simplification, but I have seen this attitude often enough that it is significant). Fo…
There will be no mutual respect here; the schism that began with Reagan, and widened with W. just ripped wide open today. The only thing coming out of this is going to be deepening resentment, and incredible economic hardship. Ironically, the people who are going to take it most directly in the tuckus, are the people who voted Trump.
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#35Those who know me on HN know that I'm an outspoken proponent of unorthodox ideas. I'm regularly shouted down, called racist/evil/etc, downmodded and flagged on HN. I also get a steady stream of private emails: "I wouldn't say this publicly cause of the bullies, but that .gov link with all the data does seem to support you. I think you might be right, I need to rethink my views." These folks very rarely post here - they are afraid of social and perhaps professional approbrium (ala Brendan Eich and Curtis Yarvin).
Those folks are engaging preference falsification.
Off HN there is a similar manufactured consensus, similar social penalties for expressing the wrong ideas, and similar levels of preference falsification. When pollsters call the preference falsification continues.
Apparently in the privacy of a voting booth, people are willing to express their true beliefs.
Note: I don't support Trump - search my posting history for "open borders" - but I do understand why folks like him. I don't agree with him on basically any policy, but my visceral emotional reaction to his victory is positive: I love the great big "fuck you" to the biased media sneering at him, calling him racist based on "dog whistles" and then writing hit pieces against Ken Bone (let alone the bullying of folks like Tim Hunt, Brendan Eich and Curtis Yarvin).
See also Scott Aaronson who explains this in more detail: http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2777
Re: The smug style in American liberalism
#36Re: The smug style in American liberalism
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, the article isn't very good. In essence, it reverses the direction of "holier than thou". However, it raises an excellent point. The United States is not going to get anywhere if half the country looks down on the other half as a bunch of plebs, and in response the "plebs" disdain the elites. (I understand that this is a gross simplification, but I have seen this attitude often enough that it is significant). Fo…
There will be no mutual respect here; the schism that began with Reagan, and widened with W. just ripped wide open today. The only thing coming out of this is going to be deepening resentment, and incredible economic hardship. Ironically, the people who are going to take it most directly in the tuckus, are the people who voted Trump.
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#38The plebeians have spoken! Let us wait for our Gaius Marius, Gracchus brothers, and Sulla.
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#39This is definitely the preference falsification election. Those who know me on HN know that I'm an outspoken proponent of unorthodox ideas. I'm regularly shouted down, called racist/evil/etc, downmodded and flagged on HN. I also get a steady stream of private emails: "I wouldn't say this publicly cause of the bullies, but that .gov link with all the data does seem to support you. I think you might be right, I need to…
Re: The smug style in American liberalism
#40As a Brit it has been fascinating to watch the Dems run basically exactly the same campaign Remain ran.
I'm embarrassed for the country by what Republicans ran on and who they elected.