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Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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This event and Brexit are proof that you cannot shame people into voting how you want. Calling them bigots over and over just galvanizes them if anything.

This is exactly the moral of the story. If you want to blame somebody for Trump, blame yourselves. Democracy, especially in the US is ruled by consensus. If 30% of the people are extremely opposed to something, like gay marriage, you cannot shove it down their throats. You cannot disregard their feelings and opinions. You just have to swallow it and move on. Because if you don't, somebody will take advantage of your…

40% of Alabama was opposed to interracial marriage:

https://ballotpedia.org/Alabama_Interracial_Marriage,_Amendm...

Should that be outlawed too?

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Sad day for the planet Earth if he abides at his promises about EPA, NOAA, Paris Agreement, etc

I suppose we'll all see what he "really" meant by everything he has ever said during his campaign. Wall with Mexico? NATO? Putting Hillary in jail? Killing the families of ISIS members?

It makes sense to put the likelihood of any of that happening at a solid zero but it's hard to trust intuition at this point.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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So as a European ... Clinton didn't spend enough time in the Upper Midwest expecting to carry those states, but Trump had an actual message for them (NAFTA, etc.) while Hillary didn't, and they don't care that he is racist and sexist, they want their jobs back, so the election was called by a 40+ white demo in an economically depressed region just like old Middle England called Brexit. About right?

Well, we have Strache, Le Pen, Farage, Wilders, Orban, Petry,... And we sure aren't as economically depressed as rural USA. Worse - we have unstable times ahead and people will vote for these populists even more. And even worse - a climate change denier as POTUS exactly at the worst possible time.

Yes he will kill the COP21 agreement. And what happens when he scuttles the Iranian nuclear deal?

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It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

I think she couldn't mobilize the black vote because of what the clinton foundation did to Haiti https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/11/what-the-clintons-did... also they are quite pro-business and somehow it all looks quite colonial https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/08/the-clinton-foundatio...

Calling your opponents deplorable also did not help.

i for one welcome our new orange overlord

also twitter and youtube seem to be more important than all the old media - Trump had a big presence on twitter that is.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/11/08/election-...

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Democrats need a new strategy for middle America. Pretending the coasts and middle America are the same or can be made the same is a failure.

Had the media not made such a spectacle of Trump's candidacy early in the campaign, he never would have gotten anywhere near being the Republican nominee to begin with. They played chicken and lost.

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It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

> There is no genuine leftist alternative. It's a choice between center-right "left" that's sold out to the establishment and the far right. Lol, true that. One thing I'd like to point out is that NATO and UN existed for decades before the massive immigration flow started.

NATO is a defence pact and the UN is an international forum. Neither is a super government.

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bear in mind this paper is now owned by jeff bezos, and the actual results are still not in yet edit: bozos -> bezos

The paper doesn't confirm either, the post title is not true (yet).

Even Hillary privately called Trump and conceded. Not sure what you're waiting on at this point.
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