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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by jkestner »

acjohnson55 wrote: post #52

This is utter madness. If we're lucky, this wheels fall off this whole enterprise and these people are discredited before they do too much harm. It's deeply frustrating to hear so much crap analysis of what's been going on. If we're really honest with ourselves about what's happening, we're seeing a massive vote for protectionism of a particular demographics that have long enjoyed it. People talk a lot about the forg…

  This election will be forever remembered for just how lurid it has been.
I hope you're right. That'll mean it's an exception.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by SolarUpNote »

hubert123 wrote: post #82
acjohnson55 wrote: post #52

This is utter madness. If we're lucky, this wheels fall off this whole enterprise and these people are discredited before they do too much harm. It's deeply frustrating to hear so much crap analysis of what's been going on. If we're really honest with ourselves about what's happening, we're seeing a massive vote for protectionism of a particular demographics that have long enjoyed it. People talk a lot about the forg…

> To be really blunt, Trump's entire track record says "if you're white and wealthy, I've obviously got your back", and his words have said, "if you're white and struggling, it's brown people who stand in your way". In that way, he's managed to get an extremely energetic white vote. yeah and exactly because of this kind of insane, bogus "analysis" you lost. When or if you find back the connection to reality, you will…

What's an issue that Trump talks about?

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by M_Grey »

hubert123 wrote: post #82
acjohnson55 wrote: post #52

This is utter madness. If we're lucky, this wheels fall off this whole enterprise and these people are discredited before they do too much harm. It's deeply frustrating to hear so much crap analysis of what's been going on. If we're really honest with ourselves about what's happening, we're seeing a massive vote for protectionism of a particular demographics that have long enjoyed it. People talk a lot about the forg…

> To be really blunt, Trump's entire track record says "if you're white and wealthy, I've obviously got your back", and his words have said, "if you're white and struggling, it's brown people who stand in your way". In that way, he's managed to get an extremely energetic white vote. yeah and exactly because of this kind of insane, bogus "analysis" you lost. When or if you find back the connection to reality, you will…

The only pleasure I'm going to take in this mess, is that people who think like you are representative of the population who will be crushed under Trump and the GOP congresses' boots. You think it's bad now, wait until you see what's coming.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by ctvo »

Grew up in the US. I'm a minority. I think this is the only time in my life I've ever felt like I didn't belong in America.

Tonight a large portion of the country confirmed that the US is for whites. That it's not a melting pot. This demographic has been angry for a generation because they've felt like their culture, their socio-economic status and way of life is slipping away and this election (after 8 years of a black president), the line in the sand would be drawn. The numbers don't show any division in voting based on class, but an entire chunk of whites (women, men, making under or over 100k+ a year, college education or not), all voting for Donald Trump.

I don't know what the future looks like now for America.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by adevine »

pfortuny wrote: post #19
smegel wrote: post #2

Every pollster/pundit quit your job now. Edit: I know, not EVERY one of them.

Where are the Nate Silver fans right now?

I would hope people on this board would understand statistics. Silver gave Trump about a 1/3 chance of winning, and he said the outcomes could run from a Clinton blowout to a narrow Trump victory, which is what happened.

If people were interpreting his "33%" as "0%", despite all his warnings and explanations about what was possible, that's their problem, not Silver's.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by marchenko »

l33tbro wrote: post #55

Call Trump what you will, but he played the media like Hendrix. They took the troll-bait and reported every outrageous soundbite gleefully, all in pursuit of a few clicks and ad-bucks. Meanwhile, Trump gained more and more of a platform and eventually established a cult of personality.

Comedians appear to have been more perceptive about Trump's appeal and Clinton's weaknesses than the media: Scott Adams and Dave Chappelle both made some salient pints this cycle. Mainstream media:0; reclusive comics:2.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by dba7dba »

thewarrior wrote: post #44

It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend. The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is…

> There is no genuine leftist alternative. It's a choice between center-right "left" that's sold out to the establishment and the far right.

Lol, true that.

One thing I'd like to point out is that NATO and UN existed for decades before the massive immigration flow started.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by Kadin »

thomasahle wrote: post #27
sho_hn wrote: post #14

So as a European ... Clinton didn't spend enough time in the Upper Midwest expecting to carry those states, but Trump had an actual message for them (NAFTA, etc.) while Hillary didn't, and they don't care that he is racist and sexist, they want their jobs back, so the election was called by a 40+ white demo in an economically depressed region just like old Middle England called Brexit. About right?

Upper Midwest? Wasn't it just a question of Florida and North Carolina?

Florida and North Carolina were considered competitive or "tossup" states, while several of the upper Midwestern states were considered fairly safe Democrat territories, probably because they were historically dominated by unionized manufacturing workers. That latter assumption has proved to be very unsafe, and it's become apparent that many of those formerly-reliable Democrat voters have switched sides, at least for this election.
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