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Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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According to the nytimes it looks like the following right now:

- President: Democrats (72%), - Senate (76%) and House (>95%): Republicans

Is this a good outcome for a democracy? And if so, why? Wouldn't this mean that the system is effectively gridlocked?

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

#42
post #6

There is a proliferation of predictive models and their outcomes vary widely. LA Times consistently predicted a Trump win, FiveThirtyEight was down to a coin toss a few times, while The New York Times was persistently pro-Hillary. While those models were meant to help people make sense of the large number of individual polls, now we need models to make sense of the models.

Yes, and this is a good thing.

It is better than what we do, informally. We all use models (of some sort) when we process information; e.g. I discount certain publications and value others. But few people actually make their models explicit and ask others to critique them.

Making a model public and explicit is a great first step. Building more models on top is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

#43
post #26

Why is voting actually hard to do? Even though we're so encouraged to vote, there is a lot of red tape. For example, depending on your street address, you may have to vote at a garden variety pick of a building. At my university, I couldn't vote in building A because my apartment was on street X. I ultimately was not able to vote today because it was actually _hard_ to vote.

Do you watch Last Week Tonight? People used to use Monday as a travel day to vote on Tuesday. It may not be so easy now, but they're trying to make it _easier_

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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According to the nytimes it looks like the following right now: - President: Democrats (72%), - Senate (76%) and House (>95%): Republicans Is this a good outcome for a democracy? And if so, why? Wouldn't this mean that the system is effectively gridlocked?

Ideally politicians would be adults and work out deals, like in the old days. Or maybe this is why most democracies have parliamentary systems.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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post #28
post #8

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I just checked. They gauges moving around is definitely random. The updates are done with a "president.json" file, fetched every 15 seconds, but the timestamp in the json data only changes every 30-180 seconds. So all of the movement is just random jitter to make it engaging. Maybe a bit disingenuous. (Note: I first thought they might be using websockets, but no WS connection is made on the page. Only a ajax fetch of…

I'd venture further to say it's a perversion of "news" for a news site to be injecting garbage into the data for entertainment purposes.

Jitter is a visualization of uncertainty. Rather than display a range, it displays a needle moving within that range.

It's only misleading developers, who will think that data is being streamed rather than fetched once. Other than that it's a clever (and yes, entertaining) way of displaying margins of error.

Can I offer that, of all the things in news and dataviz to shit on, this isn't one of them? I mean, really, an "abuse of our attention" - what?

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

#47

Watch live streaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg

Off topic, but I might as well say it here: I just tuned in to CNN: I think the way they cover the results is ridiculous. They just babble off random, pointless numbers without pause, with their fancy interactive maps in the background. They announce small changes with a sensationalism that's almost pathetic (KEY RACE ALERT! ALL OFF A SUDDEN Clinton takes the lead in Florida!! (by 20k votes... with a vote count of 30…

One of the top stories on the homepage this afternoon was about how everyone in the Trump family was glancing over to see how the other members voted. Are grade school antics what the system has come down to?

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd venture further to say it's a perversion of "news" for a news site to be injecting garbage into the data for entertainment purposes.

Yes, it is an abuse of our attention and a poor choice in information presentation. Who can we contact at NYT to complain?

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/contact-the-public-edi...

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disable jitter by running the following in console: require('forecast/jitter').get = function(){return 0;}

Haha, awesome find. Did you just dig through the code or are you a NYT dev?

Dug through the code. Just inspected the element showing the number to get the class (.widget-info-display-cont) and searched through 'general-main.js' to find where the element is created. A timer that updates the value in the element is found ~100 lines further down.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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According to the nytimes it looks like the following right now: - President: Democrats (72%), - Senate (76%) and House (>95%): Republicans Is this a good outcome for a democracy? And if so, why? Wouldn't this mean that the system is effectively gridlocked?

As someone who feels that most times new government initiatives have a net negative impact, a gridlocked system sounds like a decent outcome, all things considered.
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