Is there anybody switching from Scala to Kotlin?
If they're using it for Android development they should. Kotlin has just about first class support for it, while Scala is a pain to get working.
Which issues did you experience?
Kotlin 1.0.5 is here
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#42I'm torn on this. On one hand, Kotlin is great. It's not Scala but it gives you a whole lot while maintaining the ability to very easily swap in for Java. On the other hand, it's controlled by Jetbrains—the company that now offers a "yearly license" of many of its compilers at the same price point it once sold them for, after which time they forcibly downgrade the software their users have paid for. It's not illegal…
Er, you're eschewing Kotlin despite it's being open source because of your perception that it's controlled by a corporate entity, but in the same post you want it supported in another open source product (VS Code) backed by another corporate entity (Microsoft)?
>"Er..."
VS Code is miles ahead of Jetbrains offerings and has no yearly subscription fee.
MS was indeed one of my least favorite companies half a lifetime ago, but they've changed business models and are now pursuing a growth strategy (particularly wrt services) and have abandoned the fight to capture consumer surplus at all costs.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
After having so much fun with Kotlin, I tried switching to Scala and quickly switched back. Scala seems too complicated, with a steep learning curve. Implicits all over the place made it hard to read code and understand what was going on. I do like many of the more powerful features that Scala has, but Kotlin strikes a right balance of simplicity and power in my opinion.
As a really big Scala fan, I can say Kotlin is probably the right choice when it comes to doing Android development. That being said, yes Scala has a steeper learning curve than say, Kotlin or Go. But if you're going to devote the I don't know, next ten years of your life to working in a particular language, does it really matter if it takes two months vs. four months to ramp up?
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#44I'm torn on this. On one hand, Kotlin is great. It's not Scala but it gives you a whole lot while maintaining the ability to very easily swap in for Java. On the other hand, it's controlled by Jetbrains—the company that now offers a "yearly license" of many of its compilers at the same price point it once sold them for, after which time they forcibly downgrade the software their users have paid for. It's not illegal…
You can use Kotlin just fine with the Intellij community edition, which is free, Apache licensed OSS. What more do you want?
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Er, you're eschewing Kotlin despite it's being open source because of your perception that it's controlled by a corporate entity, but in the same post you want it supported in another open source product (VS Code) backed by another corporate entity (Microsoft)?
>" Er... " VS Code is miles ahead of Jetbrains offerings and has no yearly subscription fee. MS was indeed one of my least favorite companies half a lifetime ago, but they've changed business models and are now pursuing a growth strategy (particularly wrt services) and have abandoned the fight to capture consumer surplus at all costs.
IntelliJ Community and Android Studio are both free and gratis software.
Re: Kotlin 1.0.5 is here
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Er, you're eschewing Kotlin despite it's being open source because of your perception that it's controlled by a corporate entity, but in the same post you want it supported in another open source product (VS Code) backed by another corporate entity (Microsoft)?
>" Er... " VS Code is miles ahead of Jetbrains offerings and has no yearly subscription fee. MS was indeed one of my least favorite companies half a lifetime ago, but they've changed business models and are now pursuing a growth strategy (particularly wrt services) and have abandoned the fight to capture consumer surplus at all costs.
Care to elaborate how VS Code is miles ahead of Jetbrains offerings?
Re: Kotlin 1.0.5 is here
#47Kotlin has been a joy to use. Really happy with it. Our Android app ( http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eatsa.app ) is 100% Kotlin (with a good amount of Java libraries of course). Some highlights: - Great type system, with type inference. - Full Java interop. You can literally copy/paste Java code from Stackoverflow and it's automatically translated to Kotlin. It doesn't feel like 2 different language…
Why not use Xamarin? it has a better lenguaje (C#) and is free.
Probably because IntelliJ is a superior IDE, Kotlin is a better language than C# and Xamarin apps look and perform like ass.
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#48Anyone using Kotlin to compile to javscript in a large app care to share some experiences?
We do.
We are migrating our WPF, Flex, VB6 apps to our custom fw based on KotlinJS, ViewModels and bindable properties.
There are some kotlin features whixh are not yet supported by JS compiler, ocassionaly something stops working with a new version of Kotlin plugin, but in general it is still the most productive frontend solution I experienced.
We also generate a Kotlin domain classes from our Java backend domain objects to keep strongly typing when building UI.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
>" Er... " VS Code is miles ahead of Jetbrains offerings and has no yearly subscription fee. MS was indeed one of my least favorite companies half a lifetime ago, but they've changed business models and are now pursuing a growth strategy (particularly wrt services) and have abandoned the fight to capture consumer surplus at all costs.
Care to elaborate how VS Code is miles ahead of Jetbrains offerings?
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
>" Er... " VS Code is miles ahead of Jetbrains offerings and has no yearly subscription fee. MS was indeed one of my least favorite companies half a lifetime ago, but they've changed business models and are now pursuing a growth strategy (particularly wrt services) and have abandoned the fight to capture consumer surplus at all costs.
IntelliJ Community and Android Studio are both free and gratis software.
and painfully slow