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IAB Statement on IPv6

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Re: IAB Statement on IPv6

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You know, Cloudflare gets a lot of shit around here for being a centralizing entity in a decentralized Internet (sometimes justifiably), but they've done a hell of a lot to push forward needed changes in the Internet infrastructure. Often at little benefit to themselves.

Here's our motivation: https://blog.cloudflare.com/evenly-distributed-future/

That is a concise, interesting read topped off by some Gibson quotes. Thanks.

Re: IAB Statement on IPv6

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If I remember well at least 2-3 years ago it was complicated to measure IPv6 usage on a high-end router, and that was tied to billing. Every vendor (Cisco/Juniper/Alcatel/Huawei) had a different way to do it and since B2B billing depended on it IPv6 adoption was not as easy as expected.

What was complicated about it?

Every vendor had a different way to measure how much octets went through an interface on IPv6 using SNMP.

And the standard MIB (management information base) for SNMP only gave you IPv4 traffic.

So, if you wanted to measure the traffic you interchange with a third party on IPv6 you had to be tied to a specific way of doing in (some had private or experimental MIBs for that, in other cases you had to move the data through a tunnel and measure traffic inside the tunnel minus overhead.).

Very easy to make mistakes specially if there is a problem with the traffic late at night and somebody forgets to put you in the loop.

Re: IAB Statement on IPv6

#113

We have a product that uses ipv6 for inter-server communications. We've since learned that most major corporations routinely disable ipv6 on every computer. Not helping.

Heard a "funny" story about Facebook switching over to pure IPv6 and their issues dealing with largely untested IPv6 implementations. For example, switches which, when presented with an IPv6 BGP route while they don't have IPv6 configured, crash. Apparently they took down an entire data centre full of rack switches finding that out. My second-favorite problem, after that was solved, was developers constantly using IP…

Very "funny", but that kind of crashes happened more than you imagine.. in telcos.

Usually the problem is memory. A machine with full routing enabled needs much more memory for IPv6 than for IPv4 and when routers run out of memory they just crash, reboot, and start again...

Re: IAB Statement on IPv6

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I noticed the other day that IPv6 growth is slowing down, as Google measures it. Its access share used to double every ten or eleven months, now it doubles more slowly, and seems likely to reach 20% only in 2017 instead of this year, and if it goes on as in the recent months, 30% in 2018 instead of in 2017. At a guess, many of most competent ISPs have done their thing and now we're seeing the more sluggish middle. Or…

Here at Brazil, I know of no consumer facing ISP that supports IPv6. But we have been busy dismantling a quasi-communist government, so things may change faster in the future (if we are successful in the dismantling).

All mobile operators use it for their infrastructure because the procols make it mandatory.

Then they have a big ipv4 nat for cell phones in the BTS. Weird.

Re: IAB Statement on IPv6

#115
post #104

I hope we don't have IPv6 only protocols and sites anytime soon. My cable company still is not supporting IPv6... It seems like something a major American ISP would of done by now.

Which one?

I used http://test-ipv6.com/ to run the test.

Your Internet Service Provider (ISP) appears to be SCRR-10796 - Time Warner Cable Internet LLC, US

I'm in Ohio.

Re: IAB Statement on IPv6

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This is telling organizations developing standards to basically pretend IPv4 doesn't exist and is no longer in use. At least that's how I read it. Seems a bit premature.

Re: IAB Statement on IPv6

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post #115

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Which one?

I used http://test-ipv6.com/ to run the test. Your Internet Service Provider (ISP) appears to be SCRR-10796 - Time Warner Cable Internet LLC, US I'm in Ohio.

Time Warner Cable provides IPv6: https://www.timewarnercable.com/en/support/faqs/faqs-interne...

Your issue is site-specific; most likely your modem is outdated, but your router may also be configured to not try to acquire a block of IPv6 addresses.

Re: IAB Statement on IPv6

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post #77

IMO the major thing holding back IPv6 on the web is amazon. A huge proportion of services are hosted on AWS, and the lack of IPv6 addressing of instances cannot be forgiven.

I'd say ISPs to start with. In the UK, BT still hasn't rolled out IPv6. Neither has vodafone. Also I have servers in colocation with two datacenters, and for both I had to ask to the support to get an IPv6 range. We are very far from IPv6 becoming a standard feature.

SKY have recently rolled out IPv6 suuport to nearly all customers: https://corporate.sky.com/media-centre/news-page/2016/sky-co...

I use AAISP as my ISP and they have been providing IPv6 for a very long time: http://aa.net.uk/kb-broadband-ipv6.html

Re: IAB Statement on IPv6

#119

I'm wondering what will happen when ISPs start doling out IPv6 addresses, will every customer get a unique, static IPv6 address? Right now my ISP (BT) gives you an IPv4 address, but it's dynamic. They charge extra for a static IP

I don't have an answer to your question but the latest news from BT is:

"All BT broadband lines support IPv6 with a compatible router, except IPstream connections"

http://www.ipv6.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/UKIPv6Coun...

Re: IAB Statement on IPv6

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post #86

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> I'd say ISPs to start with. In the UK, BT still hasn't rolled out IPv6. BT have at least partially rolled out support, as I have a v6 allocation on a BT broadband service.

I have read I can get it by upgrading to the very latest version of BT Home Hub (I am using 5). I ordered it yesterday. But my current Home Hub 5 is compatible, and I still don't have IPv6.

It looks like you would have got support on your existing device soon. A recent BT presentation says:

"[IPv6 support] Home Hubs 4 and 5 support from early 2017"

http://www.ipv6.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/UKIPv6Coun...

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