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Emergent Gravity and the Dark Universe

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Re: Emergent Gravity and the Dark Universe

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Gravitons always struck me as a goofy half-baked concoction (even though we've supposedly observed them now), and so did dark matter. Emergent gravity theories are very interesting.

Observing gravitational waves is not really the same as observing individual gravitons. It's unlikely we can observe gravitons with any equipment we can actually build.

You are right, we have detected gravitational waves not gravitons. Thanks for clarifying

Re: Emergent Gravity and the Dark Universe

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I'm currently reading The Confusion [0] and just got through Leibniz's explanation of monadology [1][2]. Summarized very very briefly, the idea is that every particle in the universe is a sort of computational device, and their actions/reactions are determined by their "perception" of all the other particles in the universe.

Does this research suggest that he may have been semi-correct??

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Confusion [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monadology [2] https://quantummoxie.wordpress.com/2014/09/09/neal-stephenso...

Re: Emergent Gravity and the Dark Universe

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So I too love the idea that we don't need dark matter to explain all the gravitational effects we observe in the universe. However, is it just me or does the falsification of this seem a bit sketchy: if we find a dark matter particle...then my theory is false. That's a bit like saying...oh yeah if we find a different way to unify general relativity and quantum mechanics...then String Theory is false. It seems like there should be a 'smaller' way to falsify it.

Re: Emergent Gravity and the Dark Universe

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I love this, it feels cleaner and more elegant a solution than dark matter particles. However, nature doesn't care what we like, so that doesn't make it more likely to be true.

I agree that it sounds elegant, especially since it puts entropy/information into the core ontology so as to explain the arrow of time and thermodynamic behavior as part of the same theory that can account for Einsteinian space-time.

I just wish I understood enough physics to tell this paper from elegant-sounding word salad!

Re: Emergent Gravity and the Dark Universe

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So I too love the idea that we don't need dark matter to explain all the gravitational effects we observe in the universe. However, is it just me or does the falsification of this seem a bit sketchy: if we find a dark matter particle...then my theory is false. That's a bit like saying...oh yeah if we find a different way to unify general relativity and quantum mechanics...then String Theory is false. It seems like th…

I think you will find all the models are false to a degree. A model is only an approximation of the real thing. Quantum mechanics and General relatively cannot both be right. The obvious answer is that they are both wrong.

Re: Emergent Gravity and the Dark Universe

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Gravitons always struck me as a goofy half-baked concoction (even though we've supposedly observed them now), and so did dark matter. Emergent gravity theories are very interesting.

> even though we've supposedly observed [gravitons] now Source? Or are you saying that the existence of gravitational waves constitute a proof of the existence of gravitons, due to wave/particle duality? I'm not a physicist, but all I thought we had detected were gravitational waves.

> the existence of gravitational waves constitute a proof of the existence of gravitons, due to wave/particle duality

I always thought this is the case. But IANAP either. Could anyone with actual knowledge chime in?

Re: Emergent Gravity and the Dark Universe

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So I too love the idea that we don't need dark matter to explain all the gravitational effects we observe in the universe. However, is it just me or does the falsification of this seem a bit sketchy: if we find a dark matter particle...then my theory is false. That's a bit like saying...oh yeah if we find a different way to unify general relativity and quantum mechanics...then String Theory is false. It seems like th…

I think you will find all the models are false to a degree. A model is only an approximation of the real thing. Quantum mechanics and General relatively cannot both be right. The obvious answer is that they are both wrong.

Isn't that just relativistic quantum field theory?
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