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Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by Angostura »

briandear wrote: post #109
monfrere wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the leaked emails referred to in these articles, and I don't see much that is troubling about NYT's behavior. This is just how journalism works: the reporter has to request/negotiate access to the source. The PR folks will obviously try to spin everything positively to the reporter; that's their job. Afterward, the reporter writes up a story as objectively as possible. When some part of the story happens to be…

However there are documented instances, with Politico for instance where stories were given prior approval by the Clinton campaign before publishing. There's lots of evidence that reporters colluded with the Clinton campaign. That's not 'negotiating access.' Reporters ethically are bound to not give sources the ability to approve stories. Otherwise those stories might as well be press releases. I went to journalism s…

> However there are documented instances, with Politico for instance where stories were given prior approval by the Clinton campaign before publishing.

Did they show the story to get 'approval' or did they check elements of the story before publication?

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by Angostura »

throwaway_nyt wrote: post #123
_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nytimes sending out first draft to John Podesta:- https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/844 Stopped reading there. This is why we need journalism. People like you are unable to interpret the content of these emails. He is subscribed to the NYtimes First Draft blog [1]. Everyone with an NYTimes subscription can get the newsletter. As you can also tell by the sender nytdirect@nytimes.com [2]This isn't an actua…

Good thing, atleast you read this one before ignoring:- https://theintercept.com/2016/10/09/exclusive-new-email-leak... Don't give me your attitude. I got one wrong and admit the mistake on that one. That does not really refute any other emails.

The trouble is, when you get the first one wrong, it doesn't encourage people to take the time to read the rest.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by bradleyjg »

javiramos wrote: post #19

I feel that NYTimes is the only news organization that has been able to transition to the Digital Era. Does anyone else know of any other old-school news organization that nicely transitioned to the Digital Era?

I don't think they've really gotten their footing financially yet in the post-print world. They have large, high quality operations, including digitally, but they haven't figured out how to pay for it all in a steady state.

The latest in a long series of articles: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/business/media/buyouts-wal...

I hope the traditional newspaper with deep, broad, daily coverage can survive, but I'm not sure they can. We may be left with state news organizations (BBC), donation supported news organizations (NPR), news organizations that do newsgathering for the purpose of informing investments (Bloomberg), and organizations with less ambitious coverage goals (any of the online news magazines). The wire services may end up being the last to go or they may carve out a niche even if the national papers of record can't.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by _fizz_buzz_ »

throwaway_nyt wrote: post #124
_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However there are documented instances, with Politico for instance where stories were given prior approval by the Clinton campaign before publishing. Since you don't say which instance you are talking about, I assume you are talking about this email [1]. Which is kind of curious because it resulted in one of the most negative articles about Clinton in the primaries [2] and widely shared among Bernie and Trump suppo…

>Even our local paper gave us the chance to comment prior to publishing an article about the little company I am working at. Oh that is why you are defending the shitty aspect of journalism. There is a difference between handling all of the story and asking for a comment. Asking for a comment is a normal journalism practice and handling the whole story is the shitty nepotism. It is amazing you are defending this aspe…

Here is the thing. The email exchange with Politico actually proves to me that the Clinton campaign has a lot less influence over the press than people assume. Politico sent an article that is very critical of Clinton to her campaign. They were trying to push back. Then Politico published the article anyway. If the Clinton campaign had any influence over Politico they would've been able to stop the article. You have to see the context. This was THE big critical story about Clinton during the primaries (besides the millions articles about emails) and I couldn't find anything essential that the Clinton campaign was able to prevent from publishing.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by DominikR »

The same NYT whose profit shrank by 95,7% in the last quarter because of the extremely biased reporting?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3897406/New-York-Tim...

And the exactly same numbers by Reuters but with completely misleading headline as if everything was fine:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-newyorktimes-results-idUSK...

Funny how the NYT now makes about as much profit as I do as a contractor. Maybe I should buy them and put their journalists to more profitable use, like for example letting them clean toilets or work the streets.

Edit: Why the downvotes? Does somebody dispute the fact that the NYT's profits are down by 95,7%? Or would somebody dispute that this company wouldn't be making more profit if it sent its employees to clean toilets or sell their bodies?

I believe I made here a sensible business case for saving the NYT.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by sjwright »

briandear wrote: post #121
jjawssd wrote: post #43

Is it strange that I don't trust any electronic voting systems at all? I feel like without a paper trail, federal elections can be easily manipulated secretly.

They can be manipulated even with paper. Look at the absentee ballot scandal in Florida.. DNC operative filling out thousands of absentee ballots in secret rooms.

What scandal? If this did happen, we'd know about it. Googling around only pulls up results from exceptionally dubious sites, which in turn all seem to be based on the same trivially fabricable non-evidence.

Scandals like this do happen and do get reported:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_Security_Task_Force

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by rayiner »

monfrere wrote: post #84
dariusm5 wrote: post #16

I lost all trust in the NYT after Wikileaks revealed how they sabotaged Bernie Sanders and acted as a PR agency for the Clinton campaign. http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped... https://medium.com/@Starkweather/new-york-times-edited-berni... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sand...

I read the leaked emails referred to in these articles, and I don't see much that is troubling about NYT's behavior. This is just how journalism works: the reporter has to request/negotiate access to the source. The PR folks will obviously try to spin everything positively to the reporter; that's their job. Afterward, the reporter writes up a story as objectively as possible. When some part of the story happens to be…

> I read the leaked emails referred to in these articles, and I don't see much that is troubling about NYT's behavior.

Imagine if judges gave litigants pre-publication copies of opinions.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by burkaman »

grandalf wrote: post #63
skyrw wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This election isn't Liberalism vs Conservatism, it's Corporatism vs Populism.

I agree... HRC is a corporatist conservative and Trump is a populist conservative.

What Clinton position do you consider conservative?
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