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Re: Hyper.sh – Effortless Docker Hosting

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Post by arcticfox »

agentgt wrote: post #32

Google Cloud is not far from this. Basically instead of "hyper" you are typing "gcloud". Google Cloud is far more complicated but its tools so far are pretty good. I couldn't find how you do custom networks with Hyper. Also as a Java + Postgres shop 16 Gigs memory (L3) is just not enough. Per second also seems overkill. Google Cloud has per minute. It doesn't seem to make sense for "effortless". If you are that inter…

Why does this not make sense for effortless? I deployed my (already dockerized) simple db+site in 5 minutes after signing up for hyper.

Re: Hyper.sh – Effortless Docker Hosting

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Post by arcticfox »

agentgt wrote: post #32

Google Cloud is not far from this. Basically instead of "hyper" you are typing "gcloud". Google Cloud is far more complicated but its tools so far are pretty good. I couldn't find how you do custom networks with Hyper. Also as a Java + Postgres shop 16 Gigs memory (L3) is just not enough. Per second also seems overkill. Google Cloud has per minute. It doesn't seem to make sense for "effortless". If you are that inter…

How long does it take to launch an instance using gcloud docker run?

We tried Joyent Triton, which is almost identical to Hyper, but among other big problems it took a LONG time to launch containers. Minutes.

Re: Hyper.sh – Effortless Docker Hosting

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Post by gringofyx »

ravenstine wrote: post #23
btgeekboy wrote: post #21

Building a cloud from the ground up is no small task, even more so when you build it on your own hardware, and your own virtualization technology. Any idea who these people are / this company is? Seems to have come out of virtually nowhere.

Looks an awful lot like Heroku.

There's some poor English and they list a Chinese office too. Probably not Heroku.

Re: Hyper.sh – Effortless Docker Hosting

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Post by benballjr »

btgeekboy wrote: post #21

Building a cloud from the ground up is no small task, even more so when you build it on your own hardware, and your own virtualization technology. Any idea who these people are / this company is? Seems to have come out of virtually nowhere.

It probably just seems like they came out of nowhere because there's been some confusing change in how their technology is referred to because they have a couple different projects — so maybe confusing between Hyper, Hypernetes (a Kubernetes distro), and now more accurately Hyper.sh. We wrote a couple articles in late 2015 profiling them, and that coverage upticks again this month. http://thenewstack.io/tag/hyper-sh/

Re: Hyper.sh – Effortless Docker Hosting

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Post by djsumdog »

joecot wrote: post #34
stu2010 wrote: post #5

"All our servers are built on powerful Octo-Core machines" pretty much guarantees they're using some cheaper than E5 Xeons to save money, I'm wondering if it's something in the Xeon-D line. Has anyone specifically characterized what they're using? Could be Xeon D-1540s or similar, or they could also be selling 4-core hyperthreaded E3 Xeons as "8 core".

Edit: I went ahead and signed up for an account and made a container. The floating IP for the container appears to be an LA IP address. Their host appears to be ZenLayer, a Chinese hosting company that can apparently do co-location in LA, so while the IPs geolocate to China, it's possible they are indeed hosting in LA. The CPU is a E5-2630 v4. Original: I'm pretty sure they're entirely hosted on AWS. Given that they…

I have a feeling a huge chunk of the projects we see here are run on AWS. Duckduckgo runs on AWS. For getting things started quickly at a low initial cost, it's usually more viable to use a hosted solution (AWS, RackSpace, Digital Ocean, etc.)

However once you get big enough, the cost savings usually start falling the other way. Several companies I've been at have moved from using hosting to running their own boxes, either co-located or in their own data center (the CTO like to call this, "moving to our own private cloud" or some other marketing bullshit). Even then, careful decisions are made on to what to host locally and what to keep on a managed service due to cost.

Re: Hyper.sh – Effortless Docker Hosting

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Post by agentgt »

alauda wrote: post #40
agentgt wrote: post #32

Google Cloud is not far from this. Basically instead of "hyper" you are typing "gcloud". Google Cloud is far more complicated but its tools so far are pretty good. I couldn't find how you do custom networks with Hyper. Also as a Java + Postgres shop 16 Gigs memory (L3) is just not enough. Per second also seems overkill. Google Cloud has per minute. It doesn't seem to make sense for "effortless". If you are that inter…

Having a CLI doesn't mean they are close. In Google cloud, you still work with VMs, cluster, schedulers. In Hyper, you work only with Docker, everything is container native! Per-second is perfect for Serverless, Data mining, CI/CD, etc. It is simply not cost effective to go with per hour/minute rate.

I admit I'm a little behind on Docker but I thought google provided that with Kubernetes [1]?

I work with JVM and servlerless is just not worth it for the JVM (not yet but maybe someday with better AOT). Thus I know very little on instant serverless deployment. I'm sure it is useful though.

[1]: https://cloud.google.com/container-engine/

Re: Hyper.sh – Effortless Docker Hosting

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Post by joecot »

gnepzhao wrote: post #35

Hey all, founder is here. I'd like to thank you for your votes here. Really appreciate! Also, I just want to share our public roadmap: https://trello.com/b/7fEwaPRd/roadmap . Feel free to comment. It actually helps a lot for us to prioritize. Thanks!

Where is Hyper.sh (specifically its containers) actually hosted?

As I explained in my other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12892243 it really feels like Hyper.sh is hosted on Amazon, and there were references to that fact before, and you guys are trying to minimize that in your site now.

If you're on Amazon, that's OK. I don't think that minimizes how cool this technology is and how much easier it makes things. Amazon has an Elastic Container Service, but this is more nuanced than ECS is, and much more painless. But if the containers aren't on Amazon, a little more detail on how that works would be awesome, because right now it really feels like they're on Amazon. Which is fine, but when folks are making decisions (like putting their stuff on multiple platforms for reliability), it's important to know.

Edit: I signed up and looked around. It appears they're hosting on ZenLayer, a Chinese hosting company that has hosting in LA as one of their options. Not sure why they stick so closely with AWS on terminology though.

Re: Hyper.sh – Effortless Docker Hosting

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Post by abhishivsaxena »

For anyone looking for easy to use docker hosting, I would heartily recommend docker cloud(1st node free, then 14$/node/month), along with bare metal providers like packet.net or scaleaway.

I Have a 8GB/4-core atom based bare metal server running on packet.net for only 35$. Is running 30+ moderately used containers without any trouble.

Got me off heroku finally!

Re: Hyper.sh – Effortless Docker Hosting

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Post by agentgt »

arcticfox wrote: post #42
agentgt wrote: post #32

Google Cloud is not far from this. Basically instead of "hyper" you are typing "gcloud". Google Cloud is far more complicated but its tools so far are pretty good. I couldn't find how you do custom networks with Hyper. Also as a Java + Postgres shop 16 Gigs memory (L3) is just not enough. Per second also seems overkill. Google Cloud has per minute. It doesn't seem to make sense for "effortless". If you are that inter…

How long does it take to launch an instance using gcloud docker run? We tried Joyent Triton, which is almost identical to Hyper, but among other big problems it took a LONG time to launch containers. Minutes.

To be honest I haven't tried the docker run stuff yet and still use VMs. It does take time to provision (for me like 30 seconds). I also don't do much serverless stuff (as mentioned in other comments) so my opinion is pretty crappy at best :) .

I wasn't sure how fast Hyper was when I commented but I suppose it is fast (I missed the 5 second subline twice).

One of the big issues to why we don't use Docker is that making Docker images is really slow for us! So while we would get fast deployment/provisioning we would have to pay for it in longer build times. I'm curious how others speed up Docker image building?

Re: Hyper.sh – Effortless Docker Hosting

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Post by initdaemon »

joecot wrote: post #47
gnepzhao wrote: post #35

Hey all, founder is here. I'd like to thank you for your votes here. Really appreciate! Also, I just want to share our public roadmap: https://trello.com/b/7fEwaPRd/roadmap . Feel free to comment. It actually helps a lot for us to prioritize. Thanks!

Where is Hyper.sh (specifically its containers) actually hosted? As I explained in my other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12892243 it really feels like Hyper.sh is hosted on Amazon, and there were references to that fact before, and you guys are trying to minimize that in your site now. If you're on Amazon, that's OK. I don't think that minimizes how cool this technology is and how much easier it makes…

LA according to their website.
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