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How “Black Mirror” Gets Its Barely Sci-Fi Tech Just Right

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I wouldn't consider using people on bicycles to power society good science. It's probably one of the most inefficient methods of energy generation. That episode seemed a bit far fetched to me.

I agree that it would be terrible science, but since that seems so clear - the bicycles could barely power the screens in front of them at the speed the people were riding, let alone the greater world - I gave them the benefit of the doubt and assumed that they're literally make-work. The (presumably uneducated) riders may believe they're doing something necessary, but this could be a picture of a dystopian post-scar…

Agreed. I didn't take from this that they were powering society for the 1%. I took that they were powering their own world and earning currency to keep them otherwise entertained. If you look at the small picture of what was going on, it is easy to see that perhaps they were cycling to power something to just to earn said currency in order to enjoy futuristic creature comforts like not having to watch commercials, eating healthier food, dressing up their avatar, etc. However, I took the idea of cycling as a way to occupy people's time and found that it could easily be a way to reduce or eliminate crime. If people are always riding in order to earn money to buy trivial things then they really have no time to be doing anything nefarious. I noticed nobody was watching a news channel or reading a newspaper which leads me to believe the trivial things (skipping commercials, food that is healthier and thus more expensive thus requiring more riding, and dressing up your avatar) are just enough to keep them satiated but not enough to invoke any feelings of unrest that could foster rebellion within the system (for the most part).

Re: How “Black Mirror” Gets Its Barely Sci-Fi Tech Just Right

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Eugenics are not evil and would rid the world of many terrible, terrible hereditary diseases. However, the way to get it out of humanity should be done by the 'soft' way, not with violence.

I understood eugenics to be defined by a push to get desired people to reproduce more and undesirable ones to reproduce less? This seems quite different to things like gene testing and embryo selection which aren't as easily abused.

Those things are equivalent, only in the first case you do it retroactively instead of proactively. Hell, if gene modification becomes advanced enough you could even let people with hereditary diseases just reproduce and 'edit' the created embryo so it doesn't have said hereditary genes.

Re: How “Black Mirror” Gets Its Barely Sci-Fi Tech Just Right

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I understood eugenics to be defined by a push to get desired people to reproduce more and undesirable ones to reproduce less? This seems quite different to things like gene testing and embryo selection which aren't as easily abused.

Those things are equivalent, only in the first case you do it retroactively instead of proactively. Hell, if gene modification becomes advanced enough you could even let people with hereditary diseases just reproduce and 'edit' the created embryo so it doesn't have said hereditary genes.

It's not quite like this but people with Huntingdon's can have embryos tested and healthy ones implanted so that their kids don't have Huntingdon's. This Nature article describes the process in 2002. www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v10/n10/full/5200865a.html

Re: How “Black Mirror” Gets Its Barely Sci-Fi Tech Just Right

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Yes, very good but doesn't seem to get the love for some reason. The way he ties the different plots and technologies together was fantastic. Maybe Netflix will release it for the holidays this year?

It's on US netflix already.

Cool. I looked for it when they launched the last season and couldn't find it. Would love to watch it again.

Re: How “Black Mirror” Gets Its Barely Sci-Fi Tech Just Right

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I started watching S1E1 after having watched a couple of other episodes from season 2 and 3. I quit watching it halfway. Not sure what was subtle about it. Honestly if it was the first episode I'd watched, I'd probably have written off the whole show altogether.

I started with S1E1, quit watching it halfway, and have written it off. Should I reconsider?

S1E1 feels like an entirely different show. It doesnt really show near future tech it just shows something that could happen today. Try the rest of the first season. Very worth re approaching.

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other than being post-scarcity, I'd say recycling is literally almost this. it's not actually all that valuable as an activity and functions more as penance for the sin of consumerism.

Do you have references for that? There are many challenges involved in recycling, and it's certainly far more valuable to reduce consumption and increase re-use, but any review I've seen still shows recycling having a significant net environmental benefit.

No that's basically exactly what I mean. If you really care about the environment you'll reduce consumption. If you sort of feel bad about the environment, you'll sort your trash but keep buying mountains of throwaway products that can be nominally reclaimed. It's still a massive waste of time, effort and material even if somebody can reclaim the material for other worthless products like direct-mail flyers or whatever later. There is no path to sustainability that does not entail consuming less.

Re: How “Black Mirror” Gets Its Barely Sci-Fi Tech Just Right

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Both UV and the BM episode strongly reminded me of an Outer Limits (I think?) episode about a perpetual war between humans and aliens in some underground cave. The reveal is pretty similar to that in Men Against Fire, except the justification is different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearts_and_Minds_(The_Outer_Li...

Yes, that's the one. Thanks for looking that up.
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