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Time to Dump Time Zones

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Re: Time to Dump Time Zones

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Hmm...this is an interesting idea. However, the core of the argument seems to be this: > “The economy — that’s all of us — would receive a permanent ‘harmonization dividend’ ”— the efficiency benefits that come from a unified time zone. But this editorial is pretty light on actually supporting that. The basic argument seems to be that it reduces 'translation costs'. But..does it? What about the benefits of being able…

This hits the nail on the head. Abandoning time zones would only make sense if there were no more need for time translation. But you'd still need to translate for the sake of biological clocks, and without time zones it would become more challenging to communicate that translation. I would be in favor of doing away with DST and also eschewing AM/PM in favor of a 24-hour clock. I'm surprised this article didn't mentio…

But the current concept of time is also based on the outdated industrial age concept of a 'working day' being 9-5.

I doubt many of the people on HN for instance, work those set hours in this day and age. Nowadays it is purely a convenience factor to keep the worker drones in the same hive so they can gather for the next interminable meeting.

With the rise of remote working, and other forms of communication tools, no one has to be constrained by those arbitrary work hours any more. I personally do my best work late at night and well into the early hours, and have indeed had remote meetings with overseas team members at 10 or 11 pm my time because it actually suits me better than 3pm my time, which is when I usually try and sleep off my post lunch lethargy. (Note: I see the irony in 'post lunch' - The concept of 3 set meals a day is also another byproduct of the agricultural/industrial age that is not really as relevant in modern society where families tend not to dine together at a set time any longer).

Re: Time to Dump Time Zones

#82
post #17

Hmm...this is an interesting idea. However, the core of the argument seems to be this: > “The economy — that’s all of us — would receive a permanent ‘harmonization dividend’ ”— the efficiency benefits that come from a unified time zone. But this editorial is pretty light on actually supporting that. The basic argument seems to be that it reduces 'translation costs'. But..does it? What about the benefits of being able…

This hits the nail on the head. Abandoning time zones would only make sense if there were no more need for time translation. But you'd still need to translate for the sake of biological clocks, and without time zones it would become more challenging to communicate that translation. I would be in favor of doing away with DST and also eschewing AM/PM in favor of a 24-hour clock. I'm surprised this article didn't mentio…

The author likely neglected to mention Swatch .beats for a reason: only a tiny handful of people used them.

Re: Time to Dump Time Zones

#83
People on the West Coast would start their work week on Sunday around 11PM, and finish it on Monday at 8 AM. Then they would agree to a Wednesday morning meeting, and miss each other by a day.

Re: Time to Dump Time Zones

#84
I'd go even further and divide every human settlement into multiple districts with schedules shifting gradually between them.

Like, in one "district" of the city most people would be sleeping, it would be quiet and somewhat dead, while at the same time a few "districts" over in the same city businesses would be open, including banks, offices and other stuff on extremely strict schedules currently. Yet in another district it would be leisure time, where most people would be doing whatever they do between sleep and work.

The point is, you could always find the appropriate district for whatever you want to do, be it business, leisure, sleep or anything.

Also, with digital timekeeping devices (watches, calendars, digital presentation of business hours, etc) schedules could all be dynamic. Instead of "2016-11-09 16:00" you could schedule things like "3 days and 2 hours from now" and all devices would dynamically keep track of how much time is left until the event.

Re: Time to Dump Time Zones

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This hits the nail on the head. Abandoning time zones would only make sense if there were no more need for time translation. But you'd still need to translate for the sake of biological clocks, and without time zones it would become more challenging to communicate that translation. I would be in favor of doing away with DST and also eschewing AM/PM in favor of a 24-hour clock. I'm surprised this article didn't mentio…

But the current concept of time is also based on the outdated industrial age concept of a 'working day' being 9-5. I doubt many of the people on HN for instance, work those set hours in this day and age. Nowadays it is purely a convenience factor to keep the worker drones in the same hive so they can gather for the next interminable meeting. With the rise of remote working, and other forms of communication tools, no…

The working day is based on when humans naturally want to be active. Remote work, while increasing, is a fraction of work that's actually done. Humans are wired (in the majority) for the day, and our time conventions match that.

Re: Time to Dump Time Zones

#86
post #68

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Without Standard Time, it would have been dark out until 7:40am today here in SF. That's really tough on people (or children) who have to be at work/school by 9 or even 8. By mid-December, sunrise wouldn't be until almost 8:30. In Seattle, it would be dark outside until 9am. Losing an hour of sleep in the spring is rough, but I'd rather do that (and get an extra hour in the fall) than have to get ready in the dark al…

Yes but when you look at time changes holistically, the CDC and sleep experts are recommending that schools start around 9 or 10 am. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/sleep-scientists-sa... http://www.startschoollater.net/why-change.html I'm more and more convinced that most humans just aren't wired to wake up at the crack of dawn. The tech industry owes a lot of its hyper productivity to the fact that they ha…

> I'm more and more convinced that most humans just aren't wired to wake up at the crack of dawn.

But ending Standard Time would make everyone get up one hour earlier all winter long.

Re: Time to Dump Time Zones

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This hits the nail on the head. Abandoning time zones would only make sense if there were no more need for time translation. But you'd still need to translate for the sake of biological clocks, and without time zones it would become more challenging to communicate that translation. I would be in favor of doing away with DST and also eschewing AM/PM in favor of a 24-hour clock. I'm surprised this article didn't mentio…

But the current concept of time is also based on the outdated industrial age concept of a 'working day' being 9-5. I doubt many of the people on HN for instance, work those set hours in this day and age. Nowadays it is purely a convenience factor to keep the worker drones in the same hive so they can gather for the next interminable meeting. With the rise of remote working, and other forms of communication tools, no…

For those who live in our Ivory Tower of the software industry that may be true, but the 9-5 concept is not outdated for a vast majority of working humans on the planet. Lets not project our reality onto the rest of the world.

Re: Time to Dump Time Zones

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The article is a little short-sighted. What time will we use when we start colonizing other planets? Those planets may not even have a 24-hour day. And to make matters worse, relativity tells us that a global clock doesn't even exist (look up simultaneity).

Re: Time to Dump Time Zones

#90
post #41

Ok, pretty much every comment here is about why time zones are important. I agree! But one thing to ponder: Just like telling time in 24-hour mode is useful, perhaps it will be useful to have some clocks display UTC? Perhaps it'll be useful to talk about international events in UTC? Perhaps instead of abolishing time zones, we just use UTC as a convention when talking about events that happen across time zones?

"use UTC as a convention when talking about events that happen across time zones"

For coordination of events across time zones, perhaps. Would you really want to read international events happening in UTC in the news? In the local time I can put the event in context: is it evening? morning? Middle of the night? If it were UTC, I'd have to either look that up and do some mental math (or maybe the reading device, if I were using one, would do that for me?) or the author would have to provide it for me, which would be extra work on the author.

I keep coming back to, what problem does abolishing time zones really solve?

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