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Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Yes, it has a display component. I don't see how that implies it must always be used by looking at it. Keys (usually) have labels on them, yet many people don't use the labels as reference once they're accustomed to touch typing. Learning key commands can be a chore, requiring use of the manual or discovery through menus. Do you remember cards provided with some applications that included lists of command key command…

You're missing the 'physical feedback' component. People don't need to look at labels on keys, because they can feel the keys. A smooth bit of touchscreen has no 'landmarks' to orient yourself with. > I completely agree that it is a new input device. Just not completely new Yep. Lenovo introduced one a couple of years ago in their X1 Carbons. It was hated so much that it was stripped out of the next gen. Ultimately,…

"Yep. Lenovo introduced one a couple of years ago in their X1 Carbons. It was hated so much that it was stripped out of the next gen."

From the reading I've done this morning on the 2014 X1 Carbon (the only model that had the Adaptive Keyboard replacing the function row), there was a lot of dissatisfaction with the keyboard and trackpad as a whole, not only the strip. Among others, they removed the physical keys from the trackpad, moved the Home and End keys to the Caps Lock location, and removed other keys entirely. I read a lot of complaints about all of these, and all of these were reverted in the 2015 version.

Yeah, people are discussing the removal of the ESC key on the MacBook Pro as well. I'm personally going to miss the dedicated volume and brightness keys, and I use the ESC key in conjunction with Command to trigger LaunchBar, which I use heavily. I also think I'll be able to get used to it. There was a time in my life when I didn't use LaunchBar, and before I had dedicated volume and brightness keys. I don't remember it being all that bad. I'll see, when I get around to getting a new machine. I'm sure there are those who use the function row much more heavily than I. In the absence of aggregate data, I really can't comment on much more than my own experience and read about others.

Lenovo's decision to revert everything could be seen as them deciding it wasn't in their best interest to determine which changes were worth keeping. This is all speculation, of course. And they could very well have determined that all of the changes were ruinous to some degree. It's really pretty impressive that Lenovo was willing to make so many changes to their keyboard, when, AIUI, the keyboard is one of the features that keeps people coming back to Lenovo in general.

In the MacBook Pro, they're only replacing the function row with the Touch Bar. From an experimental point of view, it's a much more focussed experiment. It'll be interesting to see what happens when it's actually had more use.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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So... just about the touchbar and not this particular project: The touchbar is on the keyboard, almost perpendicularly (and many times at an obtuse angle) opposite to the screen. So I have to move my head up and down all the time. This is not an issue with the regular keyboard because it has physical buttons which don't change their meaning, so I have memorized the layout and I can use my muscle memory. To avoid movi…

It should be legal to murder someone for touching your laptop screen. I can't think of a bigger co-worker foul than that. Making a screen that people are supposed to touch would be an unthinkable crime.

Keep a spray bottle handy, give 'em a little spritz every time they touch the screen.

They should learn pretty quickly.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Amazon Kindle with ads on the lock screen is already offered as cheaper hardware than without ads.

Why would you need the wifi turned on on a Kindle? One should just buy that version and turn off the wifi, thus getting rid of the ads.

One of the nice parts of using a Kindle is that it syncs your page between all of your devices, so if I want to quickly open the app on my phone and read a few pages I'm right where I was when I was last on my Kindle. When I get back to my Kindle, it has the new location synced.

I read a lot of non-fiction. One nice feature that it has on WiFi is the ability to highlight a word or phrase and it will display a definition or a Wikipedia article/snippet right there on the device. Its an easy and fast way to get more information out of your readings, especially when I'm at the pub with only my Kindle.

Another strong reason why you probably need WiFi on a Kindle at least some of the time is because WiFi is the primary way it gets content. You can get a USB cable to load stuff on it, but chances are if you've bought a Kindle you bought it to use the Kindle store.

Also, I'm pretty sure it downloads a bunch of ads at once when it syncs, and then shows them over time. I've had it disconnected from WiFi for a few weeks before, and it still showed ads. So even if you only connected it for a few minutes to sync everything and then you disconnected until you wanted a new book from the Kindle store, you would still see ads.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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You don't need a new Mac to work on this, Xcode can show a software touch bar for development.

I did not know this. Thanks!

See also: https://github.com/bikkelbroeders/TouchBarDemoApp which has a facility to run a Touch Bar demo on an iPad connected to a Mac (or a Mac).

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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So... just about the touchbar and not this particular project: The touchbar is on the keyboard, almost perpendicularly (and many times at an obtuse angle) opposite to the screen. So I have to move my head up and down all the time. This is not an issue with the regular keyboard because it has physical buttons which don't change their meaning, so I have memorized the layout and I can use my muscle memory. To avoid movi…

> a touchscreen laptop. Now that would be amazing, right? No, not without a made-for-touch-from-the-ground-up OS, which neither macOS nor Windows is.

I can confirm. I have a touchscreen laptop and use it only once a week when discussing things with coworkers, because that way they can see more clearly what I do in contrast to using the mouse.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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The function keys are still there, you can invoke them by holding down the fn button just as before.

But can you feel (without looking) whether you hit just F3, or F3 and F4?

Personally, my F key usage has been so infrequent (besides F5, once upon a time) that I can't reliably touch type them.

I suspect most people are the same way, especially as keyboards have miniaturized and removed the 4-clustering.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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My big issue with the touch bar is it will be a far awkward reach for me when I use my desk with external monitor with a external keyboard. It's really only useful when I work outside my office. :(

Same for me, but - anecdotally - I've noticed a ton of people working with their laptops and external monitors in a stacked arrangement lately. They don't use a secondary mouse or keyboard, and instead keep their laptop in front of them with the external monitor above and behind it.

Ahh interesting. I will give this stacked approach a shot then! Thanks

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Of course it'll be done. Here I am with an iPhone 6s, and on the average site I see less content than I did on WAP - many sites are 80/20 or worse on mobile. How long until hardware manufacturers include dedicated advertising displays in exchange for cheaper up-front hardware?

Then people could just physically cover up the extra screens.

Or unplug them
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