Canada’s federal court rules intelligence service bulk data collection illegal
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#2Considering how hard it is to explain how Google Analytics works to the standard business owner, I imagine it wouldn't be hard to obscure all manners of data collection programs from oversight.
In times like this, the importance of civics education is highlighted. The very idea that people in law enforcement think it's acceptable to treat judges and the legal system with such contempt is scary. Even if you disagree with a certain law or system, you still need to respect it as a public servant.
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#3So this seems to be more about the retention of data than it is about the collection. Where the retention of all data is not as important as a select few that pertain to national security. I'd love to play devils advocate here and claim that the agency requires all the information or court oversight of a spy agency is ludicrous. But I dont think any one branch should be judge jury and executionor. I wonder how much of this is symbolic? I know here in the US we are lucky to even hear about a segment of what happens. But I can certainly argue that many questionable deeds are done in the interest of the american citizens
Re: Canada’s federal court rules intelligence service bulk data collection illegal
#4Considering how hard it is to explain how Google Analytics works to the standard business owner, I imagine it wouldn't be hard to obscure all manners of data collection programs from oversight. In times like this, the importance of civics education is highlighted. The very idea that people in law enforcement think it's acceptable to treat judges and the legal system with such contempt is scary. Even if you disagree w…
There's precedent in pushing the envelope in law enforcement since Sir Robert Peel (if you read up on it). It's not surprising an analogous methodology has been promulgated. Hopefully a more appropriate solution is worked out.
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#5The only questions I have are: why is it taking so long for the legal system to catch up to where we were 15 years ago and how will we ever keep Constitutional protections ahead of accelerating technology?
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#6"But there is no apparent fallout from this for CSIS yet. While the spy agency says it will stop analyzing the contentious data, there are no indications that it will destroy the data."
It's not really illegal if there's no enforcement, is there?
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#8The only questions I have are: why is it taking so long for the legal system to catch up to where we were 15 years ago and how will we ever keep Constitutional protections ahead of accelerating technology?
People make these technologies for the government, and many private firms do much of the work as contractors or by selling products as had been documented in many Snowden leaks. In addition i doubt any of the employees who do this are conscript. Simple venality and maybe a dash of patriotism suffices for us to always lose this game.
Nobody has managed to roll back the arms merchants' profits and influence, hell some of our governments (US, Canada) are the biggest arms dealers around. I see no reason why we'd be able to hold back this monster (profiteering and control through complex and often secret surveillance) when we can't hold back profiteering and control through mind numbingly obvious stuff like bombers and guns. Hell Trudeau talks a game about lgbt people and human rights and turns around and sells arms to the KSA to help bomb Yemen into hell.
The military industrial complex won, don't see why the surveillance industrial complex won't either.
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#9"But there is no apparent fallout from this for CSIS yet. While the spy agency says it will stop analyzing the contentious data, there are no indications that it will destroy the data." It's not really illegal if there's no enforcement, is there?
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
... for me. Not for them, apparently.
If the people enforcing the law aren't required to know or follow it, why am I required to?
Re: Canada’s federal court rules intelligence service bulk data collection illegal
#10So this seems to be more about the retention of data than it is about the collection. Where the retention of all data is not as important as a select few that pertain to national security. I'd love to play devils advocate here and claim that the agency requires all the information or court oversight of a spy agency is ludicrous. But I dont think any one branch should be judge jury and executionor. I wonder how much o…
> I'd love to play devils advocate here and claim that ... court oversight of a spy agency is ludicrous.
We could add rubber-stamp oversight:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/08/what-you-need-know-abo...
That court approves essentially all requests.
Secret courts, secret laws, warrant-less searches. There's one set of rules for the people in charge, and another set of rules for the people being charged.