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Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by avree »

monkmartinez wrote: post #27
hanief wrote: post #22

Apple's HIG[1] on the Touch bar is actually great. You can sort of understand the reason Apple put it on the Macbook. You can at least envision two interesting things: - Touch UI for scrubbing/scrolling contents faster. - Dynamic shortcuts for most used commands that previously only accessible by using the keyboard. [1] https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Us...

You mean like the ginormous trackpad directly beneath the keyboard? Wouldn't it be cool if they built scrubbing/scrolling right into that? Also, dynamic shortcuts! Like the kind you get with BetterTouchTool[1]? [1] https://www.boastr.net/

I always enjoy installing and configuring complicated 3rd party software! This BetterTouchTool is way better than any out of the box "it just works" software...

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by mercer »

grzm wrote: post #84
cel1ne wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding kyboard shortcuts Mac OS HIG Guidelines says: > Avoid using the Touch Bar for tasks associated with well-known keyboard shortcuts. In general, the Touch Bar shouldn’t include controls for tasks such as find, select all, deselect, copy, cut, paste, undo, redo, new, save, close, print, and quit. It also shouldn’t include controls that replicate key-based navigation, such as page up and page down. ( https://de…

Thanks for the reference to the HIG. To be clear, I was using Undo/⌘-Z as an example of how I think about keyboard shortcuts as command rather than the specific keystrokes. I wasn't suggesting that Undo should have a place on the Touch Bar. Besides providing the reference, was there something you intended to convey with the quote?

Actually, I could see undo on the Touch Bar being useful. I'd use cmd-Z most of the time, of course, but on more than one occasion I wished I could see what the undo command would actually do (Finder operations, among others). A 'button' on the task bar that explicitly states what will be undone could be great.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

#104

Post by tudorw »

johnhenry wrote: post #88
madeofpalk wrote: post #83

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Steve Jobs, in 2008, on why touchscreen iMacs are bad http://www.technologizer.com/2008/10/14/my-question-with-ste... Steve Jobs, in 2010, on why touchscreen laptops are bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNsqqKadQ4 Jonny Ive, last week, on why touchscreen laptops are bad https://www.cnet.com/special-reports/jony-ive-talks-about-pu...

Steve Jobs, in 2003, on why tablets are bad http://thenextweb.com/apple/2013/10/11/hear-steve-jobs-convi... Apple stood by this conviction until they started selling iPads. It's likely that they will maintain their position against touchscreen laptops only until they can make a reasonable profit selling them. I speculate that the reason for Apple not currently producing them, more than anything else, has to do with t…

I'm right now using this wacom lower surface with a fullhd antiglare touchscreen in front of me, a 695g 9mm thin device with an all day battery and a backlit keyboard that adapts to my typing style, what am I using?

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by [deleted] »

johnhenry wrote: post #88
madeofpalk wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs, in 2008, on why touchscreen iMacs are bad http://www.technologizer.com/2008/10/14/my-question-with-ste... Steve Jobs, in 2010, on why touchscreen laptops are bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNsqqKadQ4 Jonny Ive, last week, on why touchscreen laptops are bad https://www.cnet.com/special-reports/jony-ive-talks-about-pu...

Steve Jobs, in 2003, on why tablets are bad http://thenextweb.com/apple/2013/10/11/hear-steve-jobs-convi... Apple stood by this conviction until they started selling iPads. It's likely that they will maintain their position against touchscreen laptops only until they can make a reasonable profit selling them. I speculate that the reason for Apple not currently producing them, more than anything else, has to do with t…

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Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by bjn »

awalGarg wrote: post #48

So... just about the touchbar and not this particular project: The touchbar is on the keyboard, almost perpendicularly (and many times at an obtuse angle) opposite to the screen. So I have to move my head up and down all the time. This is not an issue with the regular keyboard because it has physical buttons which don't change their meaning, so I have memorized the layout and I can use my muscle memory. To avoid movi…

I was thinking the same thing, but I think that is manageable. The only thing I can't swallow is escluding the escape key as a physical button.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

#107

Post by nothrabannosir »

madaxe_again wrote: post #100
Mayzie wrote: post #18

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Don't give anyone ideas.

Of course it'll be done. Here I am with an iPhone 6s, and on the average site I see less content than I did on WAP - many sites are 80/20 or worse on mobile. How long until hardware manufacturers include dedicated advertising displays in exchange for cheaper up-front hardware?

Tip: if you have another browser, turn off JS in Safari. Use Safari until you really need JS, copy paste URL, Chrome, go to clipboard link, retry. It's laborious, but it beats getting bent over the knee by mobile ads.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by frik »

hanief wrote: post #22

Apple's HIG[1] on the Touch bar is actually great. You can sort of understand the reason Apple put it on the Macbook. You can at least envision two interesting things: - Touch UI for scrubbing/scrolling contents faster. - Dynamic shortcuts for most used commands that previously only accessible by using the keyboard. [1] https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Us...

The public out cry is because Apple removed the ESC key for no reason (and positioned it one row above on the touch bar). And many are angry that MacBookPro now costs even more, and has 2013-style hardware in 2016. If it was called MacBookAir and cost half there would be no out cry. A Pro-level notebook that is now way too thin for high-end hardware and too thin for common connectors and too slow for high end application needs like 4k video cutting & processing, etc. - well it's not a Pro-notebook anymore, more something for wannabes, life-style and hipsters article. As the other hardware desktop/mini/Pro/notebook stuff from Apple is stuck in 2013-models as well, it's scary to watch how they don't get it at all. So the touch bar isn't a problem, it's just one of many questionable decisions (the same happens at Microsoft, so many questionable decisions and deaf ear to the community) - Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are really missing.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

#109

Post by cel1ne »

grzm wrote: post #84
cel1ne wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding kyboard shortcuts Mac OS HIG Guidelines says: > Avoid using the Touch Bar for tasks associated with well-known keyboard shortcuts. In general, the Touch Bar shouldn’t include controls for tasks such as find, select all, deselect, copy, cut, paste, undo, redo, new, save, close, print, and quit. It also shouldn’t include controls that replicate key-based navigation, such as page up and page down. ( https://de…

Thanks for the reference to the HIG. To be clear, I was using Undo/⌘-Z as an example of how I think about keyboard shortcuts as command rather than the specific keystrokes. I wasn't suggesting that Undo should have a place on the Touch Bar. Besides providing the reference, was there something you intended to convey with the quote?

> Besides providing the reference, was there something you intended to convey with the quote?

Only that Touchbar seems intended to be very dynamic and have constantly changing mappings. So there will not be much consistency across apps, especially since common shortcuts shouldn't be put there.

This is very different from a keyboard.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

#110

Post by qb45 »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #107
madaxe_again wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it'll be done. Here I am with an iPhone 6s, and on the average site I see less content than I did on WAP - many sites are 80/20 or worse on mobile. How long until hardware manufacturers include dedicated advertising displays in exchange for cheaper up-front hardware?

Tip: if you have another browser, turn off JS in Safari. Use Safari until you really need JS, copy paste URL, Chrome, go to clipboard link, retry. It's laborious, but it beats getting bent over the knee by mobile ads.

Sounds like state-of-the-art pre-adblock technology.

Browsing with no-JS/JS browsers indeed is laborious nowadays. I use this approach out of habit on my desktop machine, but on my new laptop I just couldn't bring myself to copy this solution and installed an adblocker instead.

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