My big issue with the touch bar is it will be a far awkward reach for me when I use my desk with external monitor with a external keyboard. It's really only useful when I work outside my office. :(
Nyancat on the touchbar
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Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
#72So... just about the touchbar and not this particular project: The touchbar is on the keyboard, almost perpendicularly (and many times at an obtuse angle) opposite to the screen. So I have to move my head up and down all the time. This is not an issue with the regular keyboard because it has physical buttons which don't change their meaning, so I have memorized the layout and I can use my muscle memory. To avoid movi…
It should be legal to murder someone for touching your laptop screen. I can't think of a bigger co-worker foul than that. Making a screen that people are supposed to touch would be an unthinkable crime.
Smartphones and tablets undid years of training on my coworkers to stop touching my screen.
I just gave up and now always keep a microfiber wipe or rag next to my screen.
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
"So I have to move my head up and down all the time." I believe that for the use-case of Touch Bar as slider, it has similar behavioral characteristics as a trackpad. Do you use a trackpad? Or a mouse? Do you find yourself moving your eyes back and forth between the screen and the trackpad or mouse? Honest questions. I'm not trying to be snarky :) As for custom keys, I think this has more in common with chording/key…
> Do you use a trackpad? Or a mouse? Do you find yourself moving your eyes back and forth between the screen and the trackpad or mouse? Honest questions. I'm not trying to be snarky :) I think the difference is that the feedback you get on the trackpad/mouse is on the screen. It doesn't need you to look down. The same thing could not probably be said of the touchbar.
Is that so? If you're scrubbing the controller on the Touch Bar, you see the result on the screen, don't you? From the demo video, when scrubbing video, there is a keyframe on the Touch Bar, but you're also seeing the change on the screen.
Also, looking at my keyboard, the angle difference between looking at the function row to about 1 inch above the bottom of the screen (which I estimate to be the roughly the same as where a scrubber would be), is about ¼ to ⅓ of the angular distance from the bottom of the screen to the top of the screen. I think it's useful to consider how the location of the Touch Bar and its display will affect our UX. In this case, I think the concern might be overrated, given how much we're currently accustomed to moving our eyes with our existing screens.
Please note that I'm not saying you'll never look at the Touch Bar. I do think there will many cases when muscle memory will be as effective as what we're used to with a trackpad or keyboard.
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
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Is your premise correct though? Will you need to move your head up and down? Isn't the touch bar will be in your field of vision? Even if your premise is true, is it better to move your head up and down or to move your hands forward and backward to reach the touch screen?
> Is your premise correct though? Will you need to move your head up and down? Isn't the touch bar will be in your field of vision? Considering zero part of my keyboard is in my field of vision I'd say yes I'd have to move my head up and down. I haven't had a chance to play with the new MacBook Pro yet but it seems like a reasonable assumption. > Even if your premise is true, is it better to move your head up and dow…
> Considering zero part of my keyboard is in my field of vision
Zero? Is that even possible?
When using a laptop, it's impossible to look at the display without being able to also look at the keyboard (and touchbar) by just moving your _eyes_. You don't have to move your head.
I think your assumption is not reasonable at all.
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
#75So... just about the touchbar and not this particular project: The touchbar is on the keyboard, almost perpendicularly (and many times at an obtuse angle) opposite to the screen. So I have to move my head up and down all the time. This is not an issue with the regular keyboard because it has physical buttons which don't change their meaning, so I have memorized the layout and I can use my muscle memory. To avoid movi…
Rest assured that Apple has thought about this a lot more than you have, and this is the solution they came up with. Touching a screen is pretty tiring for your arms; imagine if you had no trackpad but instead had to tap everything on the screen of your laptop.
I assure you that very few people touch type the function keys; they will not be missed. The escape key I will miss, but how much I don't know.
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
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It should be possible with enough care. A touch sensitive space bar would really enhance a keyboard (I'm mostly using a desktop though, doesn't make sense on a laptop)
That actually sounds like a pretty brilliant idea to me. If the space bar area was converted to the track pad. Tapping it would be a space, while dragging it would give you the touch bar like features. So for example, when using Word, you have formatting options on the space touch bar like they demonstrated on the touch bar. If you tap it, it's a space, but start sliding from the left, and the formatting options appe…
Love this. Please go work at Apple
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
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I haven't actually tried it yet, but by watching the launch demo and several screenshots of touch bar on app like Photos or Final Cut Pro I can see that: - Touch Bar is probably better on scrubbing/scrolling because you can actually see the zoomed out content, like the entire timeline of the movie on FCP. - I haven't tried Boastr. I am sure it's useful and faster for pro. But on first look it's pretty complicated. It…
So scrubbing on a tiny screen where your finger occludes the items you need to see? Otherwise, the trackpad or screen itself would make more sense....
You have a lot of strong opinions about something you have never used.
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I haven't actually tried it yet, but by watching the launch demo and several screenshots of touch bar on app like Photos or Final Cut Pro I can see that: - Touch Bar is probably better on scrubbing/scrolling because you can actually see the zoomed out content, like the entire timeline of the movie on FCP. - I haven't tried Boastr. I am sure it's useful and faster for pro. But on first look it's pretty complicated. It…
So scrubbing on a tiny screen where your finger occludes the items you need to see? Otherwise, the trackpad or screen itself would make more sense....
You have a lot of strong opinions about something you have never used.
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
#79So... just about the touchbar and not this particular project: The touchbar is on the keyboard, almost perpendicularly (and many times at an obtuse angle) opposite to the screen. So I have to move my head up and down all the time. This is not an issue with the regular keyboard because it has physical buttons which don't change their meaning, so I have memorized the layout and I can use my muscle memory. To avoid movi…
A touchscreen on a laptop is as much use as tits on a bull, I'm glad Apple chose to do something different.
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
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> Is your premise correct though? Will you need to move your head up and down? Isn't the touch bar will be in your field of vision? Considering zero part of my keyboard is in my field of vision I'd say yes I'd have to move my head up and down. I haven't had a chance to play with the new MacBook Pro yet but it seems like a reasonable assumption. > Even if your premise is true, is it better to move your head up and dow…
> Considering zero part of my keyboard is in my field of vision Zero? Is that even possible? When using a laptop, it's impossible to look at the display without being able to also look at the keyboard (and touchbar) by just moving your _eyes_. You don't have to move your head. I think your assumption is not reasonable at all.
FWIW, I just moved towards my laptop screen until the top of the keyboard was out of my peripheral vision. My nose was almost touching the screen.