Dyson, the billionaire who backed Brexit, is worried that there aren't enough engineers in the UK. Hah.
Part of the reason we don't have the people is because we rely on 'Europe' to provide everything.
Do we doubt 'Europe' exists or something?
Dyson opens Britain’s first degree where students get paid
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's far more useful than the current University arrangement, where 'everyone' gets to pay money to drink for 3 years As shallow as it sounds though, it is bloody good fun.
The begs a question- why cant we have as much fun without paying through the nose
Oddly enough the current situation in Scotland is that people from the rest of the UK do pay fees when attending Scottish universities but people from Scotland and the rest of the EU don't.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Part of the reason we don't have the people is because we rely on 'Europe' to provide everything.
And importing talent is bad because...
The UK has two problems:
1. We need lots of skilled people.
2. We have lots of people lacking skills.
Importing talent solves problem (1) (and grows the economy and is generally and genuinely a good thing). But problem (2) remains. Why not try to solve both at once?
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#34Do they have a commitment to Dyson once they receive their degree?
Because, if they do, Dyson might actually also have a strong influence over their salary and other forms of compensation and benefits once they do.
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#35In Poland getting paid to study certain topics is quite popular. Very often companies will approach universities to open sponsored track. This happens when they're giving up on hiring and instead trying to raise the generation of people who know their industry. It happened on my university -- that's how we got "energy engineering" for several power plants around my city.
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#36Do they have a commitment to Dyson once they receive their degree? Because, if they do, Dyson might actually also have a strong influence over their salary and other forms of compensation and benefits once they do.
In Germany they have "Berufsakademie". You get paid by a company while you go to school 6 months a year and are a sort of intern the other 6 months. and usually you are expected to work there but it's not enforced in any way. The starting salaries are the same as graduates from other colleges. It's a pretty good deal in my view.
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#37How exactly does this square with the UK CS grad unemployment crisis?
https://www.studyinternational.com/news/uk-computer-science-...
http://blog.hefce.ac.uk/2015/07/08/unemployment-among-comput...
“For a long time we wondered why more people didn’t major in computer science,” Alex Aiken, chair of Stanford University’s Computer Science Department, told Times Higher Education. “Everyone in the field believed it was the future and that [it] represented an important way of thinking. Now the world believes us, and we have an overwhelming number of students.”
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
And importing talent is bad because...
The UK has two problems: 1. We need lots of skilled people. 2. We have lots of people lacking skills. Importing talent solves problem (1) (and grows the economy and is generally and genuinely a good thing). But problem (2) remains. Why not try to solve both at once?
We also have lots of skilled people missing work. All three problems are related, none are the root cause
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#39Effectively he's bringing back apprenticeships the way they should be. It's far more useful than the current University arrangement, where 'everyone' gets to pay money to drink for 3 years (whilst studying) and then either drop back into the market looking for useful work, or go on to spend even more time making Academia seem worthwhile. We used to be world leaders in engineering and production in the UK - now we jus…
I think that's overstating it, there's a lot of engineering in the UK. It just has a very low media profile, because it either has a foreign name on the product (Nissan!) or doesn't sell to consumers. A surprisingly large amount of it is in really unglamorous buildings in industrial estates outside cities other than London. Since the media have largely stopped bothering to leave the M25, it's invisible. (I have a pet…
From the perspective of employees, if they didn't collapse in strikes, they would have collapsed for them due to outsourcing and automation (Which was the fate of manufacturing in America).
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#40Call me skeptical but I'm looking for the gotcha. Nothing yet, but here's the FAQ https://www.dysoninstitute.com/faqs/ If there's no clause about having to work for Dyson after the program, then it will be a no-brainer for engineering students. I wonder if the normal structures of career centers will still be present/emphasized, since I'm sure Dyson would not be interested in its grads seeking employment at competito…
There is no need to look in the fine print for reasons why this model could not be all around beneficial. It's right there in the headline: private corporation finances education degree.
Dyson have all the interests to do so, as it will attract talent and every drop of the student's time is devoted to learn material that will be 100% applicable to their day to day functions in the enterprise.
In more general terms, if all education worked this way we'll only be studying the inner workings of vacuum cleaners (or computers, or anything else that is a commercial product) and not abstract math, theoretical physics or philosophy. It might work in this particular case, but a society should be vigilant in not selling out to commercial entities all means of education.
Again, I am very happy of this particular project and hope it can reduce unemployment -- but wary of saying "Aha! Why don't we do this everywhere!?"