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The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it factually accurate? Is it giving a full picture of voter suppression, or do you believe that Democrats engage in the practice and this fact is being omitted? IMO complaining about partisanship is just dodging a conversation on the merits, if in fact the objective truth is partisan. Back when Republicans were the Party of Lincoln it would have been both factual and partisan of me to say they were the political p…

The DNC are no saints[0]. "Others complained about long lines, shuttered polling locations and inexperienced polling-place employees. Entire blocks and buildings of voters in some districts were purged from the voter rolls, de Blasio said." [0] http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/officials-investigating-...

I can't tell if you're alleging something or simply raising some spectre of bad behavior as proof of some type of equivalency.

If you are alleging something, your theory runs into some problems:

1. The DNC doesn't run the elections, as another commenter posited.

2. The voters who were purged were disproportionately Spanish, and minority & Spanish voters have disproportionately voted for Clinton and against Sanders [0]. Are you suggesting that the DNC secretly coordinated with an outside body to purge voters to hurt their presumptive nominee?

Personally, I tend to assume bureaucratic incompetency quicker than I do a conspiracy.

In any case, to avoid a false equivalency, these are the facts:

Democrats may be associated with a voter purge (itself a legal and routine occurrence) which took some voters out of rolls who, based on their demographics, broke disproportionately for their nominee.

Republicans have mounted a coordinated and sustained assault on the franchisement of minorities in America. This includes the encouragement of voter intimidation, and: """ A review of these documents shows that North Carolina GOP leaders launched a meticulous and coordinated effort to deter black voters, who overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. The law, created and passed entirely by white legislators, evoked the state’s ugly history of blocking African Americans from voting — practices that had taken a civil rights movement and extensive federal intervention to stop.

Last month, a three-judge federal appeals panel struck down the North Carolina law, calling it “the most restrictive voting law North Carolina has seen since the era of Jim Crow.” Drawing from the emails and other evidence, the 83-page ruling charged that Republican lawmakers had targeted “African Americans with almost surgical precision.” """[1]

[0]http://time.com/4301762/new-york-voting-problems-hillary-cli... [1]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/inside-th...

Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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This is really funny, because I'm white programmer from California, and I experienced a "hardship" that prevented me from voting four years ago. I admit it was a stupid misunderstanding on my part, but here it goes:

I was registered at a polling place in SoCal on election day, but was living in NorCal for school. They didn't let me vote. Proof:

"If you moved more than 15 days before the election AND you moved to another county and did not register in that county, you may not vote in any local or state election until you register using your new address. https://cavotes.org/vote/how-vote/if-youve-moved

It is exceptionally strange that I can't walk into ANY polling place, type in my social security number, show someone my ID for verification, and vote. Can't they pre-load the voting machines with the SSN/Name of every citizen and every issue in every county? Surely it would be less than 10GB. Better yet, allow me to vote online.

There's a huge push to get young people to register to vote on college campuses, but I bet half of them use their parents' home address as their permanent residence. If they aren't in the same county on election day, they can't vote. Yes, I'm aware of absentee ballots, but I image many registered voters think they can just walk into any polling place on election day.

Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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I was excited to see this but this game is crazy partisan and does nothing but to further divide us.

I played all three to see if they tried to show other perspectives, but no. It's just a hit piece.

What are the other perspectives you speak of? The massive voter fraud by dead people, illegals and people voting multiple times? You know, that's been debunked by countless sources actually doing the investigative work to find voter fraud.

Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like voter suppression of vulnerable groups is a tactic that can work at the same time for both of your major parties. This "golden mean" line of reasoning is not worth much.

The reasoning on the other side is that you should do something to ensure the integrity of your elections. What stops non-citizens from voting? It's telling that the party opposed to voter verification laws stands to gain from the potential votes of tens of millions of illegal residents. As far as I know, no one is checking outside of states with voter ID laws.

>As far as I know, no one is checking outside of states with voter ID laws

"A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast"[0]

Seems like a pretty comprehensive check if you ask me.

[0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-com...

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post #23
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I played all three to see if they tried to show other perspectives, but no. It's just a hit piece.

What are the other perspectives you speak of? The massive voter fraud by dead people, illegals and people voting multiple times? You know, that's been debunked by countless sources actually doing the investigative work to find voter fraud.

""" “You didn’t hear about fraud in North Carolina until blacks started voting in large numbers,” said Barber, who has also led a series of large protests against the law. “Then all of a sudden, there’s a problem with how people are voting.”

“People keep asking, ‘When they passed this law, were they racist in their heart?’ It doesn’t matter,” he added. “You look at the heart of their policies. If I tell you this law is going to affect black people more than anyone else, and you still go ahead and do it, you yourself are making clear exactly what you are.”

Longtime Republican consultant Carter Wrenn, a fixture in North Carolina politics, said the GOP’s voter fraud argument is nothing more than an excuse.

“Of course it’s political. Why else would you do it?” he said, explaining that Republicans, like any political party, want to protect their majority. While GOP lawmakers might have passed the law to suppress some voters, Wrenn said, that does not mean it was racist.

“Look, if African Americans voted overwhelmingly Republican, they would have kept early voting right where it was,” Wrenn said. “It wasn’t about discriminating against African Americans. They just ended up in the middle of it because they vote Democrat.”

Barber, though, argued that Republicans are playing with words. """ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/inside-th...

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post #9

Shouldn't polling officials only ask for ID when registering to vote?

Is an ID required at all to register to vote in CA? I know they make you check a box to say you're a US citizen, and they ask you to provide an ID # if you have one . But is there anything to stop a non-citizen from voting?

What do they do to avoid double voting? Not asking for ID seems weird...

Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reasoning on the other side is that you should do something to ensure the integrity of your elections. What stops non-citizens from voting? It's telling that the party opposed to voter verification laws stands to gain from the potential votes of tens of millions of illegal residents. As far as I know, no one is checking outside of states with voter ID laws.

>As far as I know, no one is checking outside of states with voter ID laws "A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast"[0] Seems like a pretty comprehensive check if you ask me. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-com...

That article is referring to voter impersonation. What's to stop an illegal voter from simply voting under their own name and checking the box that says they are a US citizen? I'm genuinely curious. Is there any verification of citizenship in non-ID states?

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the other perspectives you speak of? The massive voter fraud by dead people, illegals and people voting multiple times? You know, that's been debunked by countless sources actually doing the investigative work to find voter fraud.

""" “You didn’t hear about fraud in North Carolina until blacks started voting in large numbers,” said Barber, who has also led a series of large protests against the law. “Then all of a sudden, there’s a problem with how people are voting.” “People keep asking, ‘When they passed this law, were they racist in their heart?’ It doesn’t matter,” he added. “You look at the heart of their policies. If I tell you this law…

There's a reason the VRA protections abolished by the Supreme Court focused on racial effect rather than intent.
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