Never hire job hoppers. Never. They make terrible employees.
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Never hire job hoppers. Never. They make terrible employees.
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#2Why are successful founding members of companies used as examples of non-job hoppers? If I remember correctly Bill Gates had always run his own company and the Google founders created the companies out of university...
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#3at last years startup school this became a bit of a topic, zappos talked about how they wanted employees to work there and feel valued for life.
mark zuckerberg talked about how he was happy creating a culture where great people should be able to come in, start being effective immediately, and move along after a year or so.
paul buckheit mentioned his reason for quitting google, it was basically, because you need to stir stuff up, he just went from a comfortable but awesome job to something completely different, a new challenge.
I couldnt help feel a bit depressed thinking about working for zappos for the rest of my life, no slight against zappos, they seem like an awesome company and I would love to have a chance to work there, just meant I could help felling depressed about working for any single company for the rest of my life.
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#4"You’re probably disloyal. You don’t have staying power. You’re in it more for yourself than your company."
You mean, the company that would cut you loose in about three seconds flat if you became unproductive?
Employment is an economic transaction. If you pay me, I will do high-quality, honest work for you. That's fair. If I don't produce, you can stop paying me. That's fair. But if you don't pay me well, or mistreat me, I'm going to leave. That's also fair.
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#5But in a competitive job market you’re less likely to get the chance to tell me your sob story.
That may be a little delusional (might be his MBA showing) in light of the recent reports of major hiring drives from the big names: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230462870457518...
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#6Would the equivalent for employees be: never work for a "serial entrepreneur"?
Re: Never hire job hoppers. Never. They make terrible employees.
#7"If you’re 30 and have had 6 jobs since college you’re 98% likely to be a job hopper."
If you have had lots of employees leave your company during a recession, you’re 98% likely to be an ineffective employer.
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#8"You’re probably disloyal. You don’t have staying power. You’re in it more for yourself than your company." You mean, the company that would cut you loose in about three seconds flat if you became unproductive? Employment is an economic transaction. If you pay me, I will do high-quality, honest work for you. That's fair. If I don't produce, you can stop paying me. That's fair. But if you don't pay me well, or mistrea…
Particularly since this seems to be precipitated by a Calacanis tweet, the guy who fires people for any or no reason. Not exactly an example of loyalty.
I'm guessing the reason for the entire post is actually that while Calacanis is okay firing someone, he gets angry if anyone leaves his company for a better position. There was a kerfluffle over that yesterday in various parts of the net (someone from his company sent a 2-weeks notice, and he blew up, firing them and telling them they had their last day and never set foot in the office or email his staff again). I'm guessing his tweet of 23 hours ago is due to him still being pissed at someone jumping ship from Mahalo.
Edit: It came to mind that there's a perfectly capitalist way of solving the problem, for companies that really do hate the idea of someone leaving: sign an employment contract with time terms, rather than hiring at-will employees. :)
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#9So this essay is an expansion of http://twitter.com/Jason/status/12621363849 which is almost certainly a response to http://pastebin.com/PSY4iYZ0
If you can't keep your talent as an employer, that's your fault. Berating them for taking care of themselves is immature. Welcome to capitalism, you make money off them and they're free to take the best offer on the table.
As an employer, I prefer have people with many job experiences - so when they show up here they can tell they're respected and fairly compensated!
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#10Why are successful founding members of companies used as examples of non-job hoppers? If I remember correctly Bill Gates had always run his own company and the Google founders created the companies out of university...
... and people working in CEO roles in dream jobs have no incentive to quit. In today's world most companies award loyal employees with nothing. When you're the CEO of a struggling company and you have reached a point where the pile of pink slips is just around the corner, how can you expect your best and brightest not to look around?
I think Mark is right, that chronic switching is a leading indicator of selfishness. But the days when employees are kept around while they fill out their pensions are gone. Most employers are signaling that it's every man for himself.