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Re: GoPro shows its vulnerability after horrific Q3 earnings

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Re: Video editing, whoever figures out how to make that _super easy_ is going to make a TON of money.

this. i want to be able to edit pro-looking video on my phone with the same ease that i can stitch multiple photos together in Instagram's Layout app

Vee for Video on iOS is pretty nice for quickly editing and publishing videos. Supports all the common edits and is pretty intuitive.

Not affiliated, just a happy user.

Re: GoPro shows its vulnerability after horrific Q3 earnings

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A company that built lasting products of high quality wouldn't earn profits? Hmmmmmm[0] [0] https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AAAPL&fstype=ii&ei=...

haha is this a joke? Apple basically forces you to upgrade your phone every two years, by releasing a mandatory OS update that makes older phones slow as dirt. I'm talking about my mom's 1957 Ford pickup that still runs great today. I'm talking about the Ostrisizer can opener from the 1970s that my family still uses in their kitchen. 5 years lifetime for a $800 product is not "built to last".

1957 Fords were made in a capitalist society under less regulations than todays cars. Cold War era Trabants, Skodas or Ladas that were made under a socialist economy were neither as durable nor as desirable as those capitalist cars made in the West.

Re: GoPro shows its vulnerability after horrific Q3 earnings

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I haven't read your account. What's bad about GoPro? Note : I have an action camera, but it's from Garmin

My main complaint is that it's difficult to determine camera state. My main use case is having it mounted to a motorcycle where I can reach the buttons but can't safely or easily see the indicator LEDs. Is it on? Is it recording? I have some awesome videos of me sitting on a curb in front of a gas station drinking a Gatorade because I thought it was recording the whole time, and it turns out that when I pulled up and…

I've been reading this thread thinking "hey, my GoPro has been great, little bit pricey for what it is but I have no major complaints" - and then I come across your comment:

> I spent most of the time looking at an animated WiFi icon because it couldn't find the camera literally 50% of the time.

...Ah! Now I remember why I completely gave up on the GoPro app and just use it as a standalone camera. Their wifi connectivity is an absolute joke. I guess I'd suppressed that memory :/

Re: GoPro shows its vulnerability after horrific Q3 earnings

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I try not to generalize personal experience to a company's stock price. But in GoPro's case I'm picturing a bunch of folks like me who bought one, and then swore to never again buy anything with GoPro's name on it. And those people tell their friends who are considering an "action camera". So you end up with a segment of customers from whom you'll never extract another dime, plus all of the people who might have boug…

This. I first heard of GoPro back in 2010. Scroll forward a few months and I'm on sabbatical doing a couple of months snowboarding and a few guys I meet along the way have them. Needless to say I am entirely unimpressed:

- The rectangular box shape of them is bulky and awkward, particularly when you add the protective case on top, and seems particularly ridiculous compared with other sleeker helmet cam designs,

- The mountings seem prone to work loose. One guy spent most of the time with his helmet mounted GoPro filming the ground in front of him and he had to keep fettling the thing to get it back into place.

- Turns out GoPros had the time had terrible dynamic range so everything that was covered in snow looked the same uniform white, particularly on brighter days. Picture quality sucked. This has improved somewhat in subsequent updates but I would have been fuming if I'd dropped the £300 (plus the cost of accessories on one).

- When I did look at buying one knowing exactly which accessories I'd need was confusing.

- Just way too fiddly to use when wearing any kind of gloves, which is hopeless for what's supposed to be an action cam,

- In general seemed to lead to an awful lot of faffing around by owners; to me it just looked like one more piece of gear to worry about that was mostly going to serve as an annoying time-vampire.

Apart from the picture quality issues, none of the above has changed as far as I know, only now there are so many extant models it's even more confusing trying to figure out which to buy.

Part of me dies inside every time somebody gets out a GoPro (or one of its many clones) on a ski/snowboard trip because you just know it's going to lead to an inordinate amount of buggering around.

I fully admit, #firstworldproblems, but as far as I'm concerned GoPro suck: they're an expensive waste of time and money.

In the end, for various reasons (mostly because I wanted a camera for my motorcycle), I caved and bought a Garmin VIRB. This has the following advantages:

- Doesn't need (quite) so much supporting paraphernalia, primarily because unless you plan on going diving it's waterproof enough without requiring an additional case,

- Overall it's very robust,

- Easy to switch on and off with gloves on (there's a big slider switch on the side of the camera),

- Picture quality and dynamic range are good, even in very bright conditions,

- Generally sleeker design.

I've used it for motorcycling, skiing, and as a dashcam.

All of that said it some bad points:

- Still a certain amount of confusion over which you actually need for your chosen activity,

- Mounting brackets are somewhat fiddly and can work loose,

- Battery life isn't great,

- Batteries take hours to charge,

- Apart from record on/off, the interface is kind of clunky,

And there's one ugly point:

- The software it runs is really unstable, and regularly crashes; this can be extremely annoying when it misses the crucial piece of action because of it.

So, overall, I still wouldn't buy again.

Re: GoPro shows its vulnerability after horrific Q3 earnings

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I try not to generalize personal experience to a company's stock price. But in GoPro's case I'm picturing a bunch of folks like me who bought one, and then swore to never again buy anything with GoPro's name on it. And those people tell their friends who are considering an "action camera". So you end up with a segment of customers from whom you'll never extract another dime, plus all of the people who might have boug…

GoPro is a poor shape to use with motorbikes; helmet mounts in particular are ludicrous. Any particular reason you didn't consider Drift? Fairly happy with mine, using it as a helmet-cam.

You have no idea how disappointed I am of the absence of said helmet mounts in a stereo setup. Is it really that difficult to merge the streams of two imperfectly aligned cameras with large parallax? We are missing out on the best Disney trademark infringement lawsuit ever.

Re: GoPro shows its vulnerability after horrific Q3 earnings

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commodity hardware -> build a brand... find out maybe works with soda water (red bull) but ppl don't take the $100 overprice hit on commodity camera just for brand feeling... how many wingsuit enthusiast are there anyways ?!?

Speaking of Red Bull, how has someone not come out with a cheaper alternative in the US.

Not talking about other energy drinks. Korea has Hot 6ix, which is way cheaper and goes for the Red Bull taste.

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So, I'm starting a VR project that's going to need 180-degree (or thereabouts) stereoscopic video. Ready to spend money on cameras and actually get started. "Cool! This should be straightforward, everyone uses GoPro cameras for that, so a I'll need to buy two GoPros!" was my immediate thought. All ready to give GoPro my money. Oh, but they dropped stereo genlock after the 3+..... wait what?!?! VR filmmaking is one of…

If you're doing any sort of software development requiring cameras GoPro is definitely NOT the way to go. We use Point Grey for our camera equipment. Not only are the cameras very high quality, but their API is a developer's dream. Unlike GoPro's overreaching application process, $100, or $1k fee, and an extremely limited API/features, these guys practically shove as much documentation and libraries down your throat…

Thank you for this. GoPros have been challenging and we're looking for alternatives for the next camera rig we build. One nice thing about GoPro cameras that I think I would miss with these is their built in WiFi. It's perfect for ad-hoc field laptop scenarios.

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They have a drone? Oh, they do, but it doesn't ship until the end of November. The Engadget review (dated today) [1] presents a good look at the device and how it compares to the competition -- different trade-offs. Nicer if you're in the GoPro ecosystem, but the competition is a better flyer. So perhaps the market for rugged cameras is fairly saturated by their own products, and the aerial market has partially saile…

From what I can tell, I think you're right about them being too late into the drone market. I've been researching Karma and DJI Mavic Pro because I'm planning on buying a drone. Most reviews say Mavic is much better, and some reviews have been absolutely scathing towards Karma (ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xmqthgCvxk).
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