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Web fonts, boy, I don't know

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Re: Web fonts, boy, I don't know

#251

Off topic, but the first paragraph mentioned using 2G mobile internet in Taiwan... why!? 4G is cheap and plentiful there. https://guidetotaipei.com/article/cell-phones-and-sim-cards ($100 TW = $3.18 US)

I was roaming! T-mobile gives me free 2G when roaming, and I don't like temporary SIM cards because nobody knows how to call me if there's an emergency :(

Re: Web fonts, boy, I don't know

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I think the easiest solution would be just not to use web fonts at all. Do you need fancy fonts on a website with technical documentation? I think you don't but sadly PHP developers added a whole megabyte of fonts to PHP manual. As a result one has to wait until the fonts are loaded to see the text. And web fonts are often poorly rendered on Windows. I want an option in Chromium that would allow disabling web fonts b…

>I want an option in Chromium that would allow disabling web fonts by default and enabling them on a per-site basis.

It's not a native solution, but apparently the extension uBlock Origin has a setting to block web fonts (people have mentioned it in this thread).

I use uBlock Origin as my adblocker, and it is a much better experience in terms of performance and usability than AdBlock ever was - so I wouldn't be surprised if the font option was equally well implemented. On mobile currently, but will try it out when I get to my computer.

As for toggling, there is a nice simple button that enables/disables the adblocking on the active site. I'm hoping it affects the font setting too.

PS: that's uBlock Origin, not just uBlock.

Re: Web fonts, boy, I don't know

#253
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There is absolutely nothing forcing people to use the internet through their phones, so I see no reason to force developers to optimize for it. Some people eat their food through a tube, but you wouldn't force every cook to prepare all of their food to be eaten through a straw. And there you at least have a moral argument.

Yes. Why would developers optimize for the platform that the majority of users use? Truly a question for the ages.

ALL web developers. All. That word means something.

Just because something is popular doesn't mean everyone needs to cater to it.

Re: Web fonts, boy, I don't know

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post #196

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Mice aren't really interested in cheese.

Please, describe how this "mouse" consumes anything other than "cheese" for sustenance.

Actually, I think he meant it literally:

http://www.earthkind.com/blog/fact-or-fiction-do-mice-really...

Re: Web fonts, boy, I don't know

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I'm surprised that browser vendors aren't including the more popular fonts.

A font that supports all Unicode is larger than a browser installer.

And even worse, you have to download the font every time you load a different page using it, whereas you only have to download the browser once

Re: Web fonts, boy, I don't know

#256

I think the easiest solution would be just not to use web fonts at all. Do you need fancy fonts on a website with technical documentation? I think you don't but sadly PHP developers added a whole megabyte of fonts to PHP manual. As a result one has to wait until the fonts are loaded to see the text. And web fonts are often poorly rendered on Windows. I want an option in Chromium that would allow disabling web fonts b…

> I think the easiest solution would be just not to use web fonts at all. Here's another option: plain text. That's right. You can have webpages that are plain text without any HTML formatting, and they will render. Here is an example file: This is text. This is the absolute best way of presenting web content. No one will complain.

> This is the absolute best way of presenting web content. No one will complain.

Not sure if this is a joke or not, most people would complain.

Re: Web fonts, boy, I don't know

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Heck, this is my #1 complaint of almost anything on a mobile browser. It's easily the worst offender when it comes to mobile in general; I wish browser vendors put a bigger focus on fixing this, somehow.

Didn't this start on the desktop and now because companies think it was successful on desktops, they need to extend it to mobile since they think everyone has 4G service? I remember when your mobile experience was supposed to be a stripped down faster version of your desktop version. Now, they're both insanely hard to navigate and use. So much for we dev progression, huh?

I used to get the mobile versions of pages on the desktop. Not because I was on a slow connection, just because the text is the meat for most things on the Internet. Now there's less of a point in doing that.

Re: Web fonts, boy, I don't know

#258
I wish that system fonts could be told the size of the characters of a web font upfront, before the web font was loaded. The system font's glyphs should smoothly fade/morph into the target webfont once it is loaded.

To solve the problem generally would be difficult or equivalent to the effort/data required to download the web font in the first place, but there may be a quick and dirty solution that covers 99% of text in the wild. The easiest case is monos paced fonts. Is there really an excuse why the system font can't be told via Css what spacing/height to use to match the target webfont?

Re: Web fonts, boy, I don't know

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Because font choice can communicate a lot. Font choice can establish a brand, font choice can create a mood. Web fonts are better than the stuff people did to do this in the old days. Crazy abominations like siFR [1] or rendering out a gif of your text and using that instead of just delivering some ASCII text that screenreaders can deal with? Web fonts aren't perfect, especially on slow connections, but they're the l…

Come to think of it, browsers could have a mode where they use only installed fonts regardless of what a site says. This would be useful to the people on slow connections.

Most browsers support user stylesheets, either built-in (Firefox/Safari) or as an extension, which can accomplish this.

Re: Web fonts, boy, I don't know

#260

I wish that system fonts could be told the size of the characters of a web font upfront, before the web font was loaded. The system font's glyphs should smoothly fade/morph into the target webfont once it is loaded. To solve the problem generally would be difficult or equivalent to the effort/data required to download the web font in the first place, but there may be a quick and dirty solution that covers 99% of text…

To be more explicit, it is insane that we find it acceptable for text to reflow/ break over lines at different points once the web font is loaded. There is something that bugs me -- On the one hand we are being considerate and trying to make the reading experience pleasant. On the other hand we are being careless creators of jank. Maybe jank is something that primarily irritates nerds and I am overreacting.
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