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Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?

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Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?

#71
I realize you asked about work machines supplied by your employer, but I'm going to answer for personal machines anyway.

My home desktop is a 2009 Mac Pro. I also have a personally owned 2008 Mac Pro that I keep at work. They are both too old now for the new version of OS X, so it looks like they will stay on El Capitan.

At some point, I'll either need something that requires an OS later than El Capitan, or the hardware will die. At that time, I would not be surprised if I moved to something else. A lot will depend on what Apple's desktop lineup is like when the time comes.

I would want to be able to move the SSDs from my current Mac Pros to the new machine(s), and nothing in the current Apple desktop line seems designed to make that easy. I would be reluctant to buy any of the current Mac desktops with the Apple upgrade to SSD because that raises the price too much.

The iMacs are also problematic because of the built-in monitor. I don't want to have to keep a separate monitor for my Windows gaming PC, so prefer a Mac desktop without a monitor so that the Mac and PC can share it. For a while iMacs had a feature where they could be used as a monitor for another computer, but I believe Apple dropped support for that.

I suppose I could use an iMac and use Bootcamp to boot an external disk with Windows for gaming, but I'm also not sure about the iMac from a gaming performance point of view.

Another piece of Apple hardware that may be endangered soon for me is my iPad. I've got a 3rd generation. Like my desktops, it is now too old for the current OS. (And even the last version of iOS Apple released for it had some of its most touted features disabled on iPads as old as mine).

I'm seriously thinking of something in the Surface line when it is time to replace the iPad. That's because I'm getting annoyed at the multitasking performance of the iPad, particular of the browser. I'm tired of being on some big page, like a heavily commented Reddit thread, switching to another app or another tab within Safari, then switching back and having the browser have to reload the page. This is especially annoying if I was writing a comment and switched away to get some information I needed for the comment. I end up having to select-all/copy what I'm working on before switching away, so I can restore it if the page reloads, but then I cannot use copy/paste to copy in whatever it was I switched away to look for!

I believe that Surface is running more of a desktop OS with tablet enhancements than a separate mobile OS like iPad uses, and so I'm hoping that it would multitask more like a desktop system does...and so switching between browser tabs, or between the browser and another app, would not cause browser page reloads. I've yet to look into this in detail, though, to verify this.

My iPhone is great. I see no reason at all to consider switching to something else in the phone department. It's just tablets and desktops where I foresee problems.

Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?

#73
I'll paste a comment I wrote earlier under a different, less relevant thread:

As a convert who used to be an ardent Android supporter, I've learned a very important lesson after switching. It's not always about the numbers. In fact it's never about the numbers. You can't quantify sheer quality. You can't quantify how something makes you feel. I understand this can be easily retorted by "Well I get that feel from my Samsung Galaxy N, it's totally subjective", but I think that's just being dishonest. I've seen people mention that they're considering switching back to Android after the headphone jack thing, or switching to a PC laptop after the touchbar thing. For me simply touching the surface of ANY premium laptop currently on the market is enough to realize that Apple is light years ahead in terms of how they engineer their devices to feel. Simple things like opening a lid. Using the trackpad. The force touch. How the ringer switch clicks into place. All of it screams "quality". Not like 15% higher quality, but like light years higher quality. It's my experience anyway. It's like -- yes you can take the best mechanical Breitling and ask what does it do that the average Casio ProTrek does not? And there may be not a good answer for that in terms of numbers. But just take both in your hands, and try to objectively say -- which device you intuitively want to interact with more? Which one attracts you with some inexplicable magic? Which one your fingers are craving to touch and understand? Imagine having that feeling every day with a daily device. Imagine having that feeling as the norm. How could you opt in for something less, despite the numbers?

Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?

#74

Personally, I'm kind of amused by the appalled and horrified tech bloggers I see posting about the sky falling. I keep reading about "life long" Apple users threatening to switch ecosystems because of an SD card slot. Or function keys. I mean, people must step through A LOT OF CODE to have that impact this kind of decision. My perspective is biased by my moving in the opposite direction. I'm just in the process of co…

I got the same Dell XPS 15 as you have, and no problems. Wifi works great, nothing is broke, everything is blazing fast, standby is no problem. Maybe you were just unlucky with your specific device, or didn't update the drivers and BIOS. The only thing that's not good is their Thunderbolt 3 dock.

Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?

#75
I would need an apple machine for iOS / web development anyway.

What I'm planning to do, though, is starting to use Linux on a VM on my MBP at home, get used to it, then get a dedicated Linux machine at home, then perhaps when my MBP is old i will keep the Linux as a machine for working, and will get myself a Mac Mini / iPad for generic home use by the whole family.

Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?

#76

Personally, I'm kind of amused by the appalled and horrified tech bloggers I see posting about the sky falling. I keep reading about "life long" Apple users threatening to switch ecosystems because of an SD card slot. Or function keys. I mean, people must step through A LOT OF CODE to have that impact this kind of decision. My perspective is biased by my moving in the opposite direction. I'm just in the process of co…

It's not that simple. First of all you ignore the whole dongle / headphones / incompatibility with iPhone side of things.

I have been thinking of switching over for a while because I can't stand Apple, the company, I hate having to pay €100 for a new charger if something happens to the old one, or having to buy dongles. I detest iTunes and Preview, I don't like having Xcode dictate what goes in my machine, I don't want to be forced to buy an expensive Apple monitor because any other one looks blurry, and a few other things. But most of all - I'm feed up with paying double for quality I don't really need. Yes, the trackpad is great - but I don't care, I connect a mouse to the laptop. I can buy two Windows machines for the price of a Mac. The latest MBP announcement only adds fuel to the fire, but the fire has been burning for a while.

What the latest MBP announcement DOES show is that Apple doesn't give a monkey about devs anymore. We are not their target audience. We were like the artists who move in a rundown area, make it appealing to middle class people, and then are priced out and forced to move away. It's simply time to separate a work machine with a generic home machine. I may still get myself an iPad for connecting to my TV, music, generic web surfing, but I am going to start migrating to a Linux for dev work.

Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?

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btw, tried today elementary on a macbook -- installation and drivers were fine -- visual studio code would not launch so I gave up for now -- will try over the weekend probably. It seems like a polished OS, some shortcuts need tuning but might work.

It makes me curious - do we (mac users) like our hardware, do we like our UI, do we like a combo of both or is it something else? Regardless, cool to hear you got elementary running on a mac!

I like that in the past, it's been rock solid stable and I have had to perform very little IT support to keep it so. Not so stable these days, which is where a lot of my issues come from.

Here's my primary reasons for using OSX / Mac's all these years:

-- A unix variant shell underneath - so I can do all my work fast, relatively compatible with my linux servers in the cloud, and run things like MySQL, Mongo, Node, etc... locally. Definitely a keyboard guy as well. Now that Windows has Bash/Canonical -- I suspect this will be a game changer.

-- Terminal and Iterm -- Actually - this is probably the major reason. I run lots of windows, and lots of scripting therein. Conemu / Putty for Windows isn't bad. Linux has a few not so bad terminal clients, but nothing touches Iterm. Come to think of it - if I had iTerm on my Win10 machine, with bash for scripting, and a great ssh command line client - I'd have no issues making it my daily driver.

-- Sublime Text. -- But I've been back using Vim and Emacs more and more.

-- Something about Windows... they seem to have no concern for interrupting what you're doing and popping up a window that just blocks everything. It's like a 'rude' operating system. Mac's just don't seem to do that.

-- Actually the Apps that have kept me on a Mac: iTerm, Panic Transmit, Sublime Text, and Bash/Zsh.

What I really want in a Mac:

GTX 1080's or NVidia Titan X's, or something that can actually do GPU work relatively fast (Machine learning is eating the world), and drive multiple 4k monitors. 32+G of RAM.

Happy to give up some battery life and weight to do these.

Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?

#79
Actually I did the opposite. Just bought my first Macbook ever. And not even the Pro but a Macbook Air! I know, bad screen and all. But I wanted to get into iOS development and I couldn't justify spending even more. But apart from the screen I don't think it's a bad machine. The XPS base model with 4GB -at leaste in my country- is more expensive.

Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?

#80

Actually I did the opposite. Just bought my first Macbook ever. And not even the Pro but a Macbook Air! I know, bad screen and all. But I wanted to get into iOS development and I couldn't justify spending even more. But apart from the screen I don't think it's a bad machine. The XPS base model with 4GB -at leaste in my country- is more expensive.

What is wrong with the screen? I hear this all the time but to me screen on Air is perfectly fine.
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