Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?
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Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?
#52I'll stick with my current MacBook Pro until a change is much more appealing, and I've already started discussions with people on what a great Linux laptop solution looks like.
Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?
#53My personal laptop is a 2010 MBP. I was waiting to replace it until, well, I saw the new one. Now, I'm really undecided.
I'm planning on borrowing a laptop to run Debian on and see how much my workflow changes. I spend a lot of time in vim and the terminal in general, connected to mostly Linux machines, so in that sense, at least system directories will be more similar.
Things I know I'll miss: excellent hardware, Omnifocus, Omnioutliner, 1password, a windowing system designed by people with actual functional aesthetic sensibilities. And I'll have to figure out an alternate phone backup, because I won't use cloud backup and dislike Android (not enough to be unwilling to use it, but enough that re-purchasing software to use it is really unappealing).
Things I won't miss: watching Apple turn excellent general purpose machines into appliances that don't respect the user's desires, being asked to pay ~$200 and my escape key muscle-memory for an goofy emoji toolbar, and every release coming with 5 more inscrutable daemons that want make connections to seemingly random hosts at seemingly random times, which my machines are not allowed to do.
Actually, just the act of writing this out made me firm up my conclusion; I'm no longer in Apple's target market. So no, I won't be purchasing the new MBP. Better to start migrating now and I'll worry about the phone conundrum later.
As far as the actual question, if I'm using Linux at home, I'll ask for a Linux laptop for work. I'd rather not waste time keeping current on OS X if that isn't what I use when not at work.
Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?
#54I really wanted to upgrade. Every announcement Apple has I am the guy in the take-my-money meme.
They just didn't do it this time. Between the 16GB limit, the lack of ports, no magsafe, and removing the function keys that I actually use quite a lot.
32GB haters: I'm currently migrating a huge database from mongo to postgres and I run docker containers in development. Function key haters: Yes, I actually use them and every time I've bought something where virtual buttons replace physical ones it's been worse, at least in the first few generations. "Just get a dongle" haters: I know, they make usb-c everything, but my current set of MacBooks don't require me to carry anything but my Thunderbolt 2 ethernet adapter and at $80 I guard it with my life.
Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?
#55In my lifetime I had to work with Win 95/98, 2000, xp, Win7/2012, KDE 2 to 5, Gnome 2 (bleh), blackbox, and various OSX releases, so moving workflow doesn't really scare me.
If I were offered a Thinkpad or a Surface... eh, maybe not. But I don't think MBPs are as untouchable as they were 4 years ago.
Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?
#56With so much changing, old "lock-in" factors don't really apply. New power cord. New monitor adapters. I think the switching cost feels like getting a different brand already, so it's natural to investigate alternatives Plus, I would like more memory. 32 gigs specifically. My dev environment plus all of these electron apps like slack are filling up 16 gigs fairly consistently.
Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?
#57No. I own a 2015 15" MacBook Pro, fully loaded except for only 512 SSD. I'll wait for the next refresh when, hopefully, they'll have Kabylake, 32 GB of LPDDR4, and maybe they will have rethought the SD card slot. By that time developers will have figured out what to do with the Touch Bar and knowing Apple they will have sorted out any hardware problems. I really wanted to upgrade. Every announcement Apple has I am th…
Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?
#58Different users have different goals and pain points. More than anything I want a computer that fades into the background. I want to get work done using computer. I don't want to work on the computer itself. I don't want to tinker with esoteric configurations in Ubuntu. Or troubleshoot OEM driver issues in Windows (or wait for Windows to install updates on boot).
My experience with MBP over the past five years has been seamless.
Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?
#59Personally, I'm kind of amused by the appalled and horrified tech bloggers I see posting about the sky falling. I keep reading about "life long" Apple users threatening to switch ecosystems because of an SD card slot. Or function keys. I mean, people must step through A LOT OF CODE to have that impact this kind of decision. My perspective is biased by my moving in the opposite direction. I'm just in the process of co…
So no, the Apple world is ok on certain things, but as shitty as the rest in others.
Re: Ask HN: Will you really move away from Apple hardware?
#60(I also need to have something to use that isn't Windows at home to both keep an open mind and stay in the UNIX universe - which is how I got into OSX in the first place)
I work at Microsoft, wrote http://taoofmac.com for 14 years, and have a Lenovo Carbon X1 as my work laptop (which, incidentally, has a touchscreen I actually use, and USB A). I got it a year ago and had no choice in the matter.
I'm not crazy about my work laptop (I prefer smaller, more portable machines, and plan to replace it with a Surface i5 at the earliest opportunity solely because it's the most compact and lightweight machine on the roster with a decent enough display and battery life).
Now that I've answered your question literally, let me answer it in the way that makes sense for me, as a paying Apple customer: I want expandable hardware with standard ports and adequate performance for my needs.
In terms of laptops, the MacBook Pro Escape would satisfy only the latter (and even then I would prefer a better GPU).
I'm holding out for something like a new Mac mini (I prefer small machines, and like to pick my own displays), and at this point I am pretty sure I'm going to have to buy a bunch of dongles for it too (if it ever materializes) and that I will never be able to expand it.
I also find it frustrating that I can build a Hackintosh for _half_ the price of a current Mac mini that has a comparable (larger, but bearable) volume, fully standard ports, vastly superior repairability and much better performance (google for Snazzylabs hackintosh).
Most people complaining about the MacBook Pro do so because it doesn't match their requirements for performance (with or without Kaby Lake, GPU, battery or thickness compromises) or expandability (either aftermarket or lack of standard ports), and because expectations were too high regarding refreshes of _all_ the Mac product lines (even though rumors only hinted at laptops).
In short, your question has little to do with what people are actually complaining about. Even though macOS has evolved relatively little under the hood and recent versions have had a few more bugs than usual, few complain about the ecosystem or the OS.
We just want more powerful, expandable and flexible hardware instead of designer cutlery.
(And I'm going to be pretty annoyed if I have to buy a dongle with a MicroSD card slot on the end, too - THAT they would most certainly have room for.)