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Re: Visual Studio Code 1.7.1

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Post by mmgutz »

laurentdc wrote: post #22
pavlov wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The team Microsoft really seems to be invested in this free code editor. It's great strategic marketing. Making Visual Studio Code costs a fraction of what Microsoft spent on the Surface RT marketing campaign (as an example), and the benefits to their image are much more powerful and long-lasting. The Microsoft brand has been completely reborn in the eyes of developers over the past few years. The lows of 2007-2010 s…

> It's great strategic marketing. Yeah, it's clear they're trying to "save face" in front of the open source community and become more developer-friendly (Bash on Windows too). But I must say, ten years ago when I had to choose between Java and C# for a SCADA project I picked the latter because of the Visual Studio IDE which was already well above the competition (think Eclipse/NetBeans back then). I'm glad they've b…

I don't think it's so much "sav[ing] face" as much as it is getting the message out they fully support open source.

The long term play is azure which is their big money maker. 1/3 of deploys on azure (IIRC) use linux images. Our startup got a huge credit to host on azure and we don't use .NET nor Windows. Competition is good.

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.7.1

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Post by mattmanser »

pavlov wrote: post #19
jagermo wrote: post #2

Can I say that I really like the speed of these updates? The team Microsoft really seems to be invested in this free code editor. And a lot of the features are cool, however I really like: | Help > Keyboard Shortcuts Reference brings up a printable PDF reference sheet of VS Code command keyboard shortcuts. Keep this reference handy and you'll be a VS Code power user in no time.

The team Microsoft really seems to be invested in this free code editor. It's great strategic marketing. Making Visual Studio Code costs a fraction of what Microsoft spent on the Surface RT marketing campaign (as an example), and the benefits to their image are much more powerful and long-lasting. The Microsoft brand has been completely reborn in the eyes of developers over the past few years. The lows of 2007-2010 s…

I don't get the end game though, what is the strategy?

Ultimately, if you end up using Linux .net core + typescript, they seem to be killing off visual studio, IIS, Windows Server, etc.

For what? Azure, glorified hosting that might end up a race to the bottom vs AWS & GCE? Selling SQL server licences?

I just don't get the strategy. I'm genuinely asking, where is this actually taking them apart from burning a bunch of money making free tools? Why are they making .Net core?

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.7.1

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Post by eric_b »

prplhaz4 wrote: post #25

Commit for the fix to the npm issue located here: https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/commit/b3c10273d7ba34086...

Looks like you can set an environment variable and still get the automatic typings/intellisense functionality?

CH_ATA_ENABLE=true

then open VS Code?

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.7.1

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Post by RyanCavanaugh »

Noseshine wrote: post #29
svieira wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typescript can actually use the types you provide in JSDoc[1] so you will see benefits simply by using VS Code in most cases. [1]: https://github.com/Microsoft/TypeScript/wiki/JSDoc-support-i...

That is interesting, I did not know that. Still, I don't want to use TypeScript for the reasons I wrote. I'm as minimalist as possible, and I don't want to use a language that changes my code to something else without any gain for me since I can write exactly what I want in ES 2015+ already. So it's just those types, and I could get them from "Flow" too and in that case keep my ES 2015+ code. Yes I know TypeScript is…

> I don't want to use a language that changes my code to something else

TypeScript doesn't change your code. If you're writing ES2015 code and targeting ES2015 emit, the output code is always exactly what you put in. There isn't any difference.

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.7.1

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Post by aq3cn »

I think it has fast paced development because most of the people in MS use this editor all the time. If it is their native home unlike Store apps or MS Office then why wouldn't they make it feel good. It's natural to take care of place where you live most of the time.

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.7.1

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Post by blitzd »

pavlov wrote: post #19
jagermo wrote: post #2

Can I say that I really like the speed of these updates? The team Microsoft really seems to be invested in this free code editor. And a lot of the features are cool, however I really like: | Help > Keyboard Shortcuts Reference brings up a printable PDF reference sheet of VS Code command keyboard shortcuts. Keep this reference handy and you'll be a VS Code power user in no time.

The team Microsoft really seems to be invested in this free code editor. It's great strategic marketing. Making Visual Studio Code costs a fraction of what Microsoft spent on the Surface RT marketing campaign (as an example), and the benefits to their image are much more powerful and long-lasting. The Microsoft brand has been completely reborn in the eyes of developers over the past few years. The lows of 2007-2010 s…

> The Microsoft brand has been completely reborn in the eyes of developers over the past few years. The lows of 2007-2010 seem a distant memory.

Maybe in the eyes of some developers - for many of us who are still dependent on MS products that haven't been getting much attention (SQL Server and it's related BI tools), the lows are still getting lower. Sure, there's improvements in the overall functionality (with SQL 2016) - but trying to get bugs fixed (or even acknowledged) for anyone but a fortune 500 company is still an exercise in futility. Trying to get support via MSDN forums (as is a purported benefit of our multiple MSDN developer licenses) is a joke.

We're dropping any MS related tech that we can, because frankly it feels like we're throwing money away when we could be getting the same (or, most likely better) support using open source technologies instead.

I have connect issues that have been open and unacknowledged for going on 4 years now. Meanwhile, I have posted bug reports to open source projects on github and received responses back with 5 minutes of hitting submit.

VS Code is great, don't get me wrong - but the experience with that project is a far cry from the products we've PAID MS to use and develop with.

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.7.1

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Post by satysin »

I enjoy working in C and C++ (on Windows) using Sublime Text however I am thinking of giving VSCode a proper try. I know many people use VSCode for web related development but MS seem quite serious about improving its support for C and C++.

My question is does anyone here use VSCode for C and C++? What is your setup? task files, etc?

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.7.1

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Post by jhasse »

satysin wrote: post #47

I enjoy working in C and C++ (on Windows) using Sublime Text however I am thinking of giving VSCode a proper try. I know many people use VSCode for web related development but MS seem quite serious about improving its support for C and C++. My question is does anyone here use VSCode for C and C++? What is your setup? task files, etc?

Yes, I'm using it for C++ dev :) I'm mostly using the C/C++ extension from Microsoft, unfortunately it's still closed source.

I'm developing on Linux and Windows with MSYS2. Here are my config files: https://gist.github.com/jhasse/a3898302e4f8be682d053dd5e3b4b...

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.7.1

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Post by insightful »

jagermo wrote: post #2

Can I say that I really like the speed of these updates? The team Microsoft really seems to be invested in this free code editor. And a lot of the features are cool, however I really like: | Help > Keyboard Shortcuts Reference brings up a printable PDF reference sheet of VS Code command keyboard shortcuts. Keep this reference handy and you'll be a VS Code power user in no time.

They update quickly because they know every trivial update will be a front-page on Reddit as a bunch of Microsoft boosters try to shout "SEE WE'RE HERE TOO!"

It's pretty lame.

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