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Re: Plasma Mobile – Turns your phone into a fully open hacking device

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Post by Trufa »

duaneb wrote: post #150
Trufa wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this is a completely subjective matter but I'm really surprised you'd use the word flashy and in your face as a description, I really like it, but boring and dull could fit better as a criticism IMO, specially with older versions, I'm really curious about your choice of words, this is what it looks like to me: http://i.imgur.com/J82pZMh.png You'd say that is flashy? Just curious :)

That screenshot is almost entirely text. It doesn't give a sense of the actual KDE ui.

Better? http://i.imgur.com/3FHVKNC.png still the same in my opinion.

Re: Plasma Mobile – Turns your phone into a fully open hacking device

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

shmerl wrote: post #185
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #180

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Nonsense. If you believe the whole "driven by greed" drivel, you have never looked at how a business operates in your life. It's no more or less greedy than raising prices for everyone (which would otherwise happen). The difference is, data caps are a tax on the top 1% of users, rather than a tax on everyone.

Not true. Data caps apply to everyone, not to 1% of users. And they are driven by greed, not by expenses or technical necessity, because ISPs themselves don't spend more because of more traffic. And those who have that greed will find any way to fleece their users. Raising prices for everyone without need is exactly greed, but happens when competition isn't enough to put them in place. In other words it's a sick resu…

Again, it's clear you do not understand how any of this works. It has nothing to do with technical necessity, or even expenses of delivering a specific user's service. Your focus on that indicates you have no understanding of the market. An explanation of business economics is beyond the scope of what I can fit in a reasonable comment.

This is a simplified example of how tiered pricing works in a business sense I wrote up a few weeks ago to explain it: https://plus.google.com/+JakeWeisz/posts/8dSeCHrzZpo

Re: Plasma Mobile – Turns your phone into a fully open hacking device

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Post by shmerl »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #242
shmerl wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true. Data caps apply to everyone, not to 1% of users. And they are driven by greed, not by expenses or technical necessity, because ISPs themselves don't spend more because of more traffic. And those who have that greed will find any way to fleece their users. Raising prices for everyone without need is exactly greed, but happens when competition isn't enough to put them in place. In other words it's a sick resu…

Again, it's clear you do not understand how any of this works. It has nothing to do with technical necessity, or even expenses of delivering a specific user's service. Your focus on that indicates you have no understanding of the market. An explanation of business economics is beyond the scope of what I can fit in a reasonable comment. This is a simplified example of how tiered pricing works in a business sense I wro…

> It has nothing to do with technical necessity, or even expenses of delivering a specific user's service.

Exactly my point. Therefore it's driven by greed, and is an indication of monopoly abuse. To repeat what I said. ISPs already have tired plans for _bandwidth_, and those who are heavier users can pay more for more bandwidth, which has technical necessity behind it. There is completely no need in caps.

See https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Senator-Wyden-ATT-Merger...

> Your focus on that indicates you have no understanding of the market.

I understand it. The only reason this garbage like caps and violation of Net Neutrality happens is lack of competition, and crooks taking advantage of that fact in the context of insufficient regulations to prevent them.

Re: Plasma Mobile – Turns your phone into a fully open hacking device

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Post by eumoria »

Off topic but I've used every touch interface that exists in the consumer market and I'd give my soul for a real keyboard. I'd pay 1200 for a real keyboard with a modern mobile OS. Touch keyboards suck... we've all gotten used to them and better with them but they still suck.

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Post by pjmlp »

digi_owl wrote: post #240
pjmlp wrote: post #203

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> board in the end brought in a Trojan horse that made a deal with Microsoft. And the lie keeps being repeated, it was the board that sold Nokia by having a contract that would grant Elop a huge bonus if he managed to do sell the company to someone else! http://www.forbes.com/sites/terokuittinen/2013/09/24/nokia-a... "According to changes implemented in 2010, Elop was entitled to immediate share price performance bon…

So it was deliberate on part of the board, still made him look like a trojan horse from the outside as supposedly he was there to get the company back on track.

Only by those that don't care to read the news.

When this was known it was all over the place in European news.

Re: Plasma Mobile – Turns your phone into a fully open hacking device

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Post by eddieh »

eumoria wrote: post #244

Off topic but I've used every touch interface that exists in the consumer market and I'd give my soul for a real keyboard. I'd pay 1200 for a real keyboard with a modern mobile OS. Touch keyboards suck... we've all gotten used to them and better with them but they still suck.

You could pay $299: http://shop.blackberry.com/store/bbrryus/en_US/pd/productID....

Or $425: http://store.shopblackberry.com/store/bbrryus/en_US/pd/produ...

Any particular reason those don't work for you?

Re: Plasma Mobile – Turns your phone into a fully open hacking device

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Post by owaislone »

Trufa wrote: post #119
owaislone wrote: post #19

Just like desktop KDE, the UI doesn't appeal to me. I find it too flashy and kind of "in your face". My favorite mobile OS so far has been Meego that ran on N9. That device was mind blowing and that OS. Amazing. It had such a simple, yet useful UI. Multi-tasking was better than what even Android has now. I hope Jolla doesn't die like that and we see a lot more devices come out running Sailfish.

I know this is a completely subjective matter but I'm really surprised you'd use the word flashy and in your face as a description, I really like it, but boring and dull could fit better as a criticism IMO, specially with older versions, I'm really curious about your choice of words, this is what it looks like to me: http://i.imgur.com/J82pZMh.png You'd say that is flashy? Just curious :)

Of course, it's totally subjective. It's not boring a dull to me. I find Gnome to be boring and dull (and I like that). I also was talking more about KDE shell than the apps but the apps are somewhat similar :)

I mean checkout this: https://www.kde.org/announcements/4.3/images/kde430-desktop_...

Too much going on. Too much transparency, too much eye candy as if everything is made of glass. Plus the unnecessary widgets to hold desktop icons. I'm no expert in UI/UX design but as a user I find it unpleasant.

Re: Plasma Mobile – Turns your phone into a fully open hacking device

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Post by digi_owl »

Gruselbauer wrote: post #208
cure wrote: post #129

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Owwww, the E70! I loved that phone. Still have mine.

I loved Nokia's smartphones so much. E70, E61, N900... Those were the pinnacles of smartphoning for me. Their successors somehow manage to fall short in vital aspects every single time, it's beyond frustrating.

Best i can tell its because back then smartphones were for productivity first and foremost. These days they are for media consumption.

Re: Plasma Mobile – Turns your phone into a fully open hacking device

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Post by owaislone »

abrowne wrote: post #233
owaislone wrote: post #215

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No, I've not. Do they keep it fairly updated or is it just old Gnome2 maintained? What would be great for me is Unity7 + Gnome2 apps ported to GTK3 without turning them into iPad apps but looks like that will get even harder with Unity8 :(

They are updating it, but keeping the original style as much as possible. The forked apps, like the file manager (caja), archive manager (engrampa), text editor (pluma) etc. still have menubars and so on, but, for example, it is using dconf/gsettings and MATE in Ubuntu MATE 16.10 is all GTK+3. They've also integrated features for setting panel layouts, and there is one ("Mutiny") that mimics Unity. They're even worki…

Wow!! That's great news. I'll try it out for sure. Thanks.

Re: Plasma Mobile – Turns your phone into a fully open hacking device

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

shmerl wrote: post #243
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, it's clear you do not understand how any of this works. It has nothing to do with technical necessity, or even expenses of delivering a specific user's service. Your focus on that indicates you have no understanding of the market. An explanation of business economics is beyond the scope of what I can fit in a reasonable comment. This is a simplified example of how tiered pricing works in a business sense I wro…

> It has nothing to do with technical necessity, or even expenses of delivering a specific user's service. Exactly my point. Therefore it's driven by greed, and is an indication of monopoly abuse. To repeat what I said. ISPs already have tired plans for _bandwidth_, and those who are heavier users can pay more for more bandwidth, which has technical necessity behind it. There is completely no need in caps. See https:…

No, it's not "driven by greed", it's "driven by basic math". There's nothing abusive about asking people using your service to pay more than the people who use it the least. And it has nothing to do with "monopoly abuse", we have four (five-ish) national carriers as well as plenty of regional offerings. Mobile providers are the least monopolistic telecoms in the industry right now.

The idea of paying for network speed is a poor one: It means the network is intentionally crippling their product when they can provide better, and they're under no obligation to even guarantee the speed you pay for. Paying for network speed is not good for the consumer.

Paying for usage is the ideal situation, because the provider and the customer have aligned interests. It's in the best interest of the provider to provide the fastest, highest quality service, so that users can consume the most data. And consumers get the best possible product, without being intentionally gimped or throttled.

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