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British Government loses Article 50 court fight

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Mrs May has a 14 point lead in the polls and justification to call an election were Parliament to block Article 50. Given the current state of the opposition, their leader, and the fact that many Labour seats voted Leave it is a pretty safe bet that the Conservatives could end up with a 100+ majority. The key thing comes down to what "block Article 50" means. If the Government decide to not give ground during the Par…

Brexit before March, what do you think?

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Mrs May has a 14 point lead in the polls and justification to call an election were Parliament to block Article 50. Given the current state of the opposition, their leader, and the fact that many Labour seats voted Leave it is a pretty safe bet that the Conservatives could end up with a 100+ majority. The key thing comes down to what "block Article 50" means. If the Government decide to not give ground during the Par…

Plenty of Conservative MPs and Conservative voters opposed Brexit. A general election would force the Conservatives to adopt a manifesto position on Brexit and be held accountable for the consequences of that position. It may not be a victory against Brexit, but it's a victory for democracy.

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For those who don't follow British politics this is very significant. - Invocation of Article 50 is likely to be delayed from Q1 as the legislation will go through parliament and the (hostile) House of Lords. - A 'hard' Brexit is less likely due to incoming amendments from remainer MPs and Lords It also increases the chances of a general election before Article 50 is invoked if the PM feels that MPs will force too ma…

MP's are in a hard place because of this.

The majority of them are pro-remain, having concluded that brexit is damaging and dangerous and cannot result in a better deal.

... but they will be whipped into line by government (Tory) and party leadership (Labour) insisting that they follow the settled will of the clear majority of the people

... but the will of the people is neither settled nor a clear majority.

Re: British Government loses Article 50 court fight

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This is a big issue stemming from incredible divide that has happened and is widening ever faster

You have two camps that are pretty much self contained - paper magazines, TV, radio, YouTube channels, Facebook groups, even fucking meme sites are now springing up to spew propaganda

And the worst thing is that on the left you have SJW terrorists attacking anything and everything just to feel better about themselves, while the right has no fucking idea how to make anything work good and the only slightly reedeeming point is their pushback against extremism from the left

And the bubbles just push most of the people off to either side

Brexit done by cretins currently in power will just wreck UK. The tremors we are seeing now are just the beginning - my welsh friend tells me that power, water, gas, etc. prices are adjusted yearly, so next wave of pain is approaching already

Staying in would be the best, IMO, but, it hardly matters - either way you are going to have ~30% population extremely unhappy

Re: British Government loses Article 50 court fight

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This was frankly unexpected. I wonder what P(supreme=no|high=yes) ? If anyone knows please say. Will the gov bother appealing? The ruling makes available a sabateurs toolbox and could potentially delay Brexit for some time. My bet is that the government don't appeal and then go onto put serious media pressure on parliament to pull the trigger quickly. Having said that I was definitely betting that the high court woul…

If you've been following the case, this was not unexpected. Also the government have already confirmed they will appeal.

Yes, 2 minutes ago on the BBC :) I had not seen it. What do you think will happen at Supreme Court? Same again?

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Is this something that could split the conservative party between those in more UKIP-populated districts and those in more LibDem dominated ridings? What if the LibDems start campaigning in those ridings where they are strong in order to pressure those MPs? It wouldn't be in the interest of the LibDems as a party (who would benefit from backlash against triggering article 50), but it would be in the collective intere…

Although they didn't win, the Lib Dems did fairly well in the Witney by-election and they are certainly making a big deal about the upcoming Richmond Park by-election.

A lot can happen before the next general election, and the next local elections aren't until May, after the government intends to trigger Article 50. And the Lib Dems still only have eight MPs. So whilst I'm sure the Lib Dems will be doing a lot of campaigning, they remain in a rather weak position.

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Just in case you thought (foolishly) that democracy was a real thing.

Involving Parliament instead of letting the Government do whatever it wants is democracy.

Is it? The party can simply use its whips to pass the vote. It is after all the MPs that elected the government there.

Re: British Government loses Article 50 court fight

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Just in case you thought (foolishly) that democracy was a real thing.

Involving Parliament instead of letting the Government do whatever it wants is democracy.

Letting parliament vote on something after everybody has already had the chance to vote on it is not democracy, it's letting the political elite overrule the decision of the people.

Re: British Government loses Article 50 court fight

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post #12

For those who don't follow British politics this is very significant. - Invocation of Article 50 is likely to be delayed from Q1 as the legislation will go through parliament and the (hostile) House of Lords. - A 'hard' Brexit is less likely due to incoming amendments from remainer MPs and Lords It also increases the chances of a general election before Article 50 is invoked if the PM feels that MPs will force too ma…

MP's are in a hard place because of this. The majority of them are pro-remain, having concluded that brexit is damaging and dangerous and cannot result in a better deal. ... but they will be whipped into line by government (Tory) and party leadership (Labour) insisting that they follow the settled will of the clear majority of the people ... but the will of the people is neither settled nor a clear majority.

It seems that new elections with a clear mandate would be the best solution... except that the first-past-the-post system could possibly lead to a very different outcome than the purely proportional referendum.
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