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You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

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Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

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I've been in software tech for nearly 30 years. Never had a "technical" interview, puzzle solving, or anything like that. I would not take a job that screened candidates that way. If references and credentials and track record aren't enough, I would look elsewhere.

Flip side -- I view it as a strong negative if a company has what I consider a weak interview or vetting process. The interview doesn't have to be all whiteboard coding but I want to at least feel like the person got some grasp of my technical ability. If the entire thing is basically a "personality interview" I start to think that it is very possible technically weak people may have been able to schmooze their way i…

That's a definite possibility, and something I've observed in my travels. :-}

I don't know that I want to be scribbling code on a whiteboard, but I do know that I want to work with an organization which carefully vets its hires.

Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

#42
post #27

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> The fact it overlaps with a popular social goal is just an added bonus for marketing and internal feel-good. This gets to the core of the issue: in a late stage capitalistic society, meaningful social change ONLY happens when it is aligned with business incentives.

Late stage?

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Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

#43
post #7

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I think the next couple sentences explain it well: > It takes a lot of interviews to get used to the process and the format and to understand that the stuff you do in technical interviews isn’t actually the stuff you do at work every day. And it takes people in your social circle all going through the same experience, screwing up interviews here and there, and getting back on the horse to realize that poor performanc…

But this can be literally true for anyone. I tried re-reading it again and again and I am not seeing the distinction. Different people have different reactions to things. In other fields, it's not uncommon for people to submit resumes to 10, 15, even 20 firms and go through 5 to 10 interviews before landing their first "real" job. I think we forget how good we have it in tech relative to the rest of the economy. It's…

Can you think of a different explanation for why women quit so much earlier than men?

Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

#44
post #9

I've been in software tech for nearly 30 years. Never had a "technical" interview, puzzle solving, or anything like that. I would not take a job that screened candidates that way. If references and credentials and track record aren't enough, I would look elsewhere.

Flip side -- I view it as a strong negative if a company has what I consider a weak interview or vetting process. The interview doesn't have to be all whiteboard coding but I want to at least feel like the person got some grasp of my technical ability. If the entire thing is basically a "personality interview" I start to think that it is very possible technically weak people may have been able to schmooze their way i…

Current company I work had me write FizzBuzz on paper, and that was mostly it for the technical interview. They asked about my history and I talked about projects and such, but it was probably the easiest interview I've ever had. And this is my favorite job I've ever had as well.

Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

#45
You're missing the point. The point isn't what's actually happening in the world, whether racism actually exists, or what actual solutions there might be. The point is to scream "racism" as loudly as possible so you can signal your virtue to your peers and get clicks. After all, if you don't cry "racism" every 5 minutes, how will all of your friends know you're opposed to racism?

Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

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Indians of Asian descent are a minority in the US, but well represented in Software Engineering. Further, there are plenty more Indian, Chinese, and Russian female engineers, than there are American (of european, aka White) female engineers. I am less inclined to believe there is systemic bias against women, and minorities, and instead a culture difference between groups who are well represented in engineering, and g…

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Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

#47
post #9

I've been in software tech for nearly 30 years. Never had a "technical" interview, puzzle solving, or anything like that. I would not take a job that screened candidates that way. If references and credentials and track record aren't enough, I would look elsewhere.

Flip side -- I view it as a strong negative if a company has what I consider a weak interview or vetting process. The interview doesn't have to be all whiteboard coding but I want to at least feel like the person got some grasp of my technical ability. If the entire thing is basically a "personality interview" I start to think that it is very possible technically weak people may have been able to schmooze their way i…

Wouldn't simply taking an IQ test, or submitting your SAT score along with your resume serve the same purpose then? If the goal is to reveal "technical ability" this would save a lot of time.

Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this can be literally true for anyone. I tried re-reading it again and again and I am not seeing the distinction. Different people have different reactions to things. In other fields, it's not uncommon for people to submit resumes to 10, 15, even 20 firms and go through 5 to 10 interviews before landing their first "real" job. I think we forget how good we have it in tech relative to the rest of the economy. It's…

Can you think of a different explanation for why women quit so much earlier than men?

See my edit, I said I think I agree with the premise the author was trying to rebute -- maybe it actually is a pipeline issue. (Side note, I don't think this article is specifically about women, but underrepresented groups in general: women, african americans, hispanics)

Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

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post #31
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Expanding the hiring pool is valuable to these companies. Many companies also feel like they'll perform better with a more diverse group of employees. I sure felt like that about my company. They probably _also_ feel like it's right. This is one of those social problems where both the business need and moral need match up. My guess is that people who want racial diversity want class diversity, diversity of thought, c…

This is mostly empirically provable [1]. Diverse teams come up with better ideas that apply to a larger swath of markets (an immediate payoff for companies). [1]: http://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/organization/our-...

The results on this are quite wishy-washy.

And the applicability of studies of the value of diversity in an executive team attempting to strategically position themselves in a market to a team building a compiler is questionable to say the least.

Re: You can’t fix diversity in tech without fixing the technical interview

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The diversity figures could be worse. They could have included a breakdown based on age and compared Facebook vs national norms and firms doing US government/military software contracts.

Age is not required for the EEO-1 filings:

"EEO-1 reports filed by employers with more than 100 employees provide data based on race, color, sex and national origin,but do not report data on age or disability. We are aware that both groups are underrepresented in the tech workforce, suggesting the need for research to understand the causes and potential solutions."

https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/statistics/reports/hightech/upload...

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