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Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by larrik »

lmm wrote: post #56
Philipp__ wrote: post #14

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That simply is not true. Most of the people that likes commodities of UNIX, nice UI and long battery life in combination with nice hardware uses Macs. Even people who do not do any iOS development. There is no such thing as Mac Dev tools, (maybe just iOS related but there aren't many that you do for that process besides Xcode). I use my Mac like I used Linux and FreeBSD, package manager check, nice terminal check, Em…

> That simply is not true. Most of the people that likes commodities of UNIX, nice UI and long battery life in combination with nice hardware uses Macs. Even people who do not do any iOS development. Citation needed. Some people like the mac UI sure, but there are people who hate it too. People who use a mac only because they have to to develop for iOS or OSX certainly do exist.

I was indeed one.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by Motomorgen »

th0ma5 wrote: post #145
zanny wrote: post #139

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Blender is 3d modeling and animation, vastly divergent from video editing with kdenlive / openshot / etc.

Perhaps somewhat surprisingly, Blender actually contains a non-linear video editor as well.

And it's probably one of the nicer options if/when you finally "get it". But the learning curve is tough.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by jdietrich »

th0ma5 wrote: post #145
zanny wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blender is 3d modeling and animation, vastly divergent from video editing with kdenlive / openshot / etc.

Perhaps somewhat surprisingly, Blender actually contains a non-linear video editor as well.

It's the least bad NLE for Linux. The UI is awful, but it's stable and has a reasonable feature set.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by oridecon »

babuskov wrote: post #125
riprowan wrote: post #111

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This is my problem. Audio editing on Linux is a joke. For everything else I do, Linux can get me there. So I need a Mac or a PC as an audio editor? Might as well just get a Mac or a PC. I'll have to maintain it anyway, and it can do everything Linux can do, plus probably be better supported.

What about video editing? I mean, I can live with Audacity for my basic needs, but I can't find anything simple as iMovie. Or should I just bite the bullet and learn Blender? Does it have preset screen transitions and stuff like that?

Shotcut, Kdenlive, Blender (overdrop)

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by arebop »

babuskov wrote: post #125
riprowan wrote: post #111

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This is my problem. Audio editing on Linux is a joke. For everything else I do, Linux can get me there. So I need a Mac or a PC as an audio editor? Might as well just get a Mac or a PC. I'll have to maintain it anyway, and it can do everything Linux can do, plus probably be better supported.

What about video editing? I mean, I can live with Audacity for my basic needs, but I can't find anything simple as iMovie. Or should I just bite the bullet and learn Blender? Does it have preset screen transitions and stuff like that?

Blender's Video Sequence Editor just has a couple of quirks to get past. It is not deeply mysterious.

Like: the VSE viewer and the Image viewer are similar but distinct; that can be confusing. And OpenGL acceleration on a Scene strip shows a 3D model rendition that is not (in general) the same as the rendered output of the Scene.

If you want to get fancy with the compositor + VSE, again there are just a couple of quirks but the learning curve is merely steep, not long.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by criddell »

StudyAnimal wrote: post #142
zanny wrote: post #49

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> it lacks well designed high quality GUI applications. If porting to Linux was done easier that could change. Fundamental to most peoples complaints about desktop Linux applications is the lack of look and feel cohesion across all permutations of distro, desktop, and toolkit. Wine applications using the Windows APIs look like complete garbage and fit in nowhere. The same would be true of OSX Cocoa apps - they wouldn…

The "professional" market doesn't care about visual cohesion. They either use just one app anyway or have them custom written to use their nvidia quadros with whatever UI they like, But the senior execs that need the absolute monster for outlook and facebook will always be well served by the top end macs.

> The "professional" market doesn't care about visual cohesion.

That isn't true at all. I spend all day in a handful of applications and good aesthetics make my day much more enjoyable.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by s_kilk »

th0ma5 wrote: post #145
zanny wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blender is 3d modeling and animation, vastly divergent from video editing with kdenlive / openshot / etc.

Perhaps somewhat surprisingly, Blender actually contains a non-linear video editor as well.

Blender probably contains a full copy of Blender inside itself too. That program is nuts.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by nitrogen »

api wrote: post #109
witty_username wrote: post #87

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Why do you need a desktop running 100% via web technologies? What's the advantage of that? BTW, IIRC KDE uses JS for some Qt stuff and GTK uses CSS for themes. How is HTTPS even close to X11 protocol? That's like saying a car engine can function as a steering wheel. BTW /r/linux is not all Linux users.

The advantage is long-term at the level of the ecosystem. You can leverage the world's largest developer pool and ride the coattails of major corporations. Qt, GTK, and other desktop techs are "weird" little tiny niche skills to acquire, and since desktop dev in general is lower priority these days they're going to be rare. HTML5+CSS+JS with a stack based on React or Ember will draw tons of dev talent. For consistent…

I don't understand all the downvotes for all of your comments. I have developed GUIs in Gtk, Qt, .Net, and Java+Swing, but I saw the writing on the wall and learned web dev. I really really hate writing GUIs in HTML (inferior tools, inferior performance), but that is where the wind is blowing.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by true_religion »

rimantas wrote: post #89
Philipp__ wrote: post #54

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Wow, that is impressive battery life. I am curious, what Linux distributions you used? (especially for those back in the 90s :D) I was stuck on Gentoo than Arch for the most of the time.

Probably just MakingStuffUp.iso

I'd get about 9-10 hours on a Macbook Pro simply lazily web browsing. This is theoretically reported battery life, however.

I never actually let it run down to 0. It's possible the last 10% would have vanished in 30 minutes instead of ~2 hours like it claimed.

I can certainly believe a Linux machine can get 14hrs. It's just a matter of having a bigger battery, and a processor that will step-down its speed when its not needed.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by simonh »

api wrote: post #109
witty_username wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you need a desktop running 100% via web technologies? What's the advantage of that? BTW, IIRC KDE uses JS for some Qt stuff and GTK uses CSS for themes. How is HTTPS even close to X11 protocol? That's like saying a car engine can function as a steering wheel. BTW /r/linux is not all Linux users.

The advantage is long-term at the level of the ecosystem. You can leverage the world's largest developer pool and ride the coattails of major corporations. Qt, GTK, and other desktop techs are "weird" little tiny niche skills to acquire, and since desktop dev in general is lower priority these days they're going to be rare. HTML5+CSS+JS with a stack based on React or Ember will draw tons of dev talent. For consistent…

Microsoft tried this with RT, the web technology dev stack for Metro apps. Is that even still a thing?

On mobile web tech based apps are the ugly step-children compared to native apps. They've had their chance I'm afraid. I understand why they should be ruling the word in theory, but it just never works out in practice.

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