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Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by lmm »

jernfrost wrote: post #33

I am hoping that with cross platform Swift we can start seeing more libraries to help us port Mac apps to Linux. I am a Mac developer but I'd love to make stuff available on Linux. I really like Linux as a backup plan, in case Apple totally drops the ball on professionals on the Mac. The Linux desktop is getting pretty good, but it lacks well designed high quality GUI applications. If porting to Linux was done easier…

Objective-C has been crossplatform for decades. The issue isn't the programming language, it's the GUI toolkits. Probably the best way to get cross-platform apps would be to improve Qt on Mac to the point where Mac apps were willing to use it.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by Philipp__ »

wvenable wrote: post #48
Philipp__ wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that is related to which part of my post, because I do not see the connection? I didn't mention Windows. And good luck with wrestling with Windows doing UNIX things. It had it, but it was not comparable to Linux and BSDs. Now it is better situation, much better, but still I would rather spin some BSD based system in VM, than try and use Ubuntu through WSL.

My Ubuntu VM hasn't been spun up since I started using WSL. I've encountered a few bugs with WSL but it works amazingly well even for GUI apps.

I didn't like Ubuntu even back then when Linux was my main workspace. Used Gentoo and Arch most of the time, Ubuntu felt like too much everything for my taste. Is it possible to use other Linux distros through WSL?

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by bmurphy1976 »

kevinherron wrote: post #8

This is neat, but I can't think of a single non-GUI tool on OS X that I need or doesn't have an equivalent in Linux...

mediafilesegmenter and mediastreamvalidator used for creating and testing M3U8 (HLS) files.

You can of course use open or closed source alternatives, but they're fairly shitty in comparison to the mac native tools.

Last time I tried mediafilesegmenter had a dependency on some of the core audio libraries that were missing under Darling.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by Philipp__ »

lholden wrote: post #47
Philipp__ wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That simply is not true. Most of the people that likes commodities of UNIX, nice UI and long battery life in combination with nice hardware uses Macs. Even people who do not do any iOS development. There is no such thing as Mac Dev tools, (maybe just iOS related but there aren't many that you do for that process besides Xcode). I use my Mac like I used Linux and FreeBSD, package manager check, nice terminal check, Em…

I use Linux for that. I have a pretty and modern UI, all of the unix commodities I want... all on a brand new and powerful laptop that has plenty of battery life. (My last laptop... a Samsung Series 9... would last 14+ hours on a charge. My current laptop is a bit more power hungry... but it has a fairly beefy i7 and such. It still gets me through the day though) It's just a matter of momentum... and Apple certainly…

Wow, that is impressive battery life. I am curious, what Linux distributions you used? (especially for those back in the 90s :D) I was stuck on Gentoo than Arch for the most of the time.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by st3v3r »

my123 wrote: post #21
Philipp__ wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That simply is not true. Most of the people that likes commodities of UNIX, nice UI and long battery life in combination with nice hardware uses Macs. Even people who do not do any iOS development. There is no such thing as Mac Dev tools, (maybe just iOS related but there aren't many that you do for that process besides Xcode). I use my Mac like I used Linux and FreeBSD, package manager check, nice terminal check, Em…

No, Windows had an Unix subsystem since forever, and WSL helps switchers more than ever actually.

Except neither of those work worth a damn. You can't even run stuff like MSBuild or Sublime Text from the WSL.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by lmm »

Philipp__ wrote: post #14
ISNIT wrote: post #4

It'll super useful when/if it supports XCode + Mac Developer Tools for iOS development. I think that's the main thing keeping app developers on their Macs.

That simply is not true. Most of the people that likes commodities of UNIX, nice UI and long battery life in combination with nice hardware uses Macs. Even people who do not do any iOS development. There is no such thing as Mac Dev tools, (maybe just iOS related but there aren't many that you do for that process besides Xcode). I use my Mac like I used Linux and FreeBSD, package manager check, nice terminal check, Em…

> That simply is not true. Most of the people that likes commodities of UNIX, nice UI and long battery life in combination with nice hardware uses Macs. Even people who do not do any iOS development.

Citation needed. Some people like the mac UI sure, but there are people who hate it too. People who use a mac only because they have to to develop for iOS or OSX certainly do exist.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by st3v3r »

pjmlp wrote: post #25
rimantas wrote: post #6

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Believe me, it is not. All Android and WP developers I know also used Macs. :)

I don't know anyone, and there are quite a few in this 4 floor building. Not to mention across all company sites. EDIT: And if you bother to listen to the Android Developers Backstage podcast, according to the Android team themselves the large majority is on Windows.

The entire Android developer team here is on Macs. And go to any Android developer conference, and I'd be willing to bet money that most laptops you'll see are Macs.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by my123 »

Philipp__ wrote: post #52
wvenable wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Ubuntu VM hasn't been spun up since I started using WSL. I've encountered a few bugs with WSL but it works amazingly well even for GUI apps.

I didn't like Ubuntu even back then when Linux was my main workspace. Used Gentoo and Arch most of the time, Ubuntu felt like too much everything for my taste. Is it possible to use other Linux distros through WSL?

yes, an Arch port to WSL was written

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by roblabla »

hapless wrote: post #50
jernfrost wrote: post #33

I am hoping that with cross platform Swift we can start seeing more libraries to help us port Mac apps to Linux. I am a Mac developer but I'd love to make stuff available on Linux. I really like Linux as a backup plan, in case Apple totally drops the ball on professionals on the Mac. The Linux desktop is getting pretty good, but it lacks well designed high quality GUI applications. If porting to Linux was done easier…

If you're interested in porting code, many of the OSX core libraries are available as part of the GNUstep project: https://www.gnu.org/software/gnustep/ Most of "cocoa" came from the OPENSTEP specification, and GNUstep offers quite a complete implementation.

Is there a list of things missing ? A guide on how to contribute ?

I'd love to port my favorite OSX apps to linux (ITerm 2, I miss you so much ;_;) but that website makes it almost a point to be as useless as possible.

Also, reading through http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/User_Guides , why does it talk about FileSystem Layout. Is GNUStep an OS ? I thought it was just a library. The whole thing feels a bit messy :|.

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