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Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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Any proof?

Lots of complaints on Glassdoor[1] [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Crytek-Reviews-E347451.htm

yes, some of the reviews are referencing the last time we did not get paid which was in 2014. it is however much worse this time and management is not caring at all to fix it.

this review talks about the current situation:

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Crytek-RVW...

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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I wonder if this has anything to do with reddit implementing their own image hosting service.

That came around before August.

But it might take some months before that change to reddit reverberates into imgur visitor metrics and on into advertising revenue.

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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34k € is a bad salary in Germany? Because I think it is an average 1st salary in France (or the companies I've been talking to are also planning to get me paid abysmally )

34kE for a new master's graduate is rather low in Paris. It's rather high for the rest of the country. See here for discussion about French salaries. http://www.developpez.net/forums/f597/emploi-etudes-informat... That's the main french forum for professional developers tips & tricks & career advice & salaries.

Thanks, and do you have an idea about Nice / Sophia Antipolis ?

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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I was fired from Wickr.com a few months after their layoffs. I was fired from Wickr a few months ago. The given reason was they considered me not a Senior Android Developer and that was my title - I asked too many questions apparently. My manager indicated that if my title had been Android Developer there probably would not have been a problem. I don't care about titles really. I was hired in 2014 as a contractor for…

First question is are you sure you were fired with cause and not laid off? If you're sure it's the first you might want to consult a lawyer. Usually a company needs a pretty strong paper trail and a lot of evidence of you screwing up royally before they can fire with cause.

Wickr is based in SF. CA is an at-will state.

Many companies prefer to have a strong paper trail and a lot of evidence to scare people away from filing wrongful termination suits, but he could have been fired just because the boss didn't like him without any legal repercussions.

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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I was fired from Wickr.com a few months after their layoffs. I was fired from Wickr a few months ago. The given reason was they considered me not a Senior Android Developer and that was my title - I asked too many questions apparently. My manager indicated that if my title had been Android Developer there probably would not have been a problem. I don't care about titles really. I was hired in 2014 as a contractor for…

I would honestly refrain from telling people you were fired in that case, and simply state you were laid off. I would then begin to infer that something fishy was going on internally and that you're probably better off not being involved with the company anymore. It really sounds to me like management didn't know how to deal with the situation and a "performance review" was simply their scapegoat, and not the reality…

Agreed. If your former employer is smart, they won't say much beyond "yes, that person worked here" when contacted by any company that is looking to hire you. If they say anything that directly results in you being denied a job, it opens them up to lawsuits. (at least that's my understanding)

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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I worked at a place, where I was not laid off, but my friend was, on his birthday. For me, this was a real eye-opener. It would not have been a big deal for HR to wait another day, and then lay him off. Another employee, also laid off, 2 days after moving out of his aunt's house and had put a deposit down on an apartment and DSL connection. I think I left a month later right before the company imploded.

>but my friend was, on his birthday. I've had this happen good 20th.

I've had it happen too. Granted, it was kind of a bullshit zeroth job where it happened and the company folded a month later, but it still sucked. I almost brought in cupcakes to share with the company...

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at a place, where I was not laid off, but my friend was, on his birthday. For me, this was a real eye-opener. It would not have been a big deal for HR to wait another day, and then lay him off. Another employee, also laid off, 2 days after moving out of his aunt's house and had put a deposit down on an apartment and DSL connection. I think I left a month later right before the company imploded.

>but my friend was, on his birthday. I've had this happen good 20th.

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Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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I was fired from Wickr.com a few months after their layoffs. I was fired from Wickr a few months ago. The given reason was they considered me not a Senior Android Developer and that was my title - I asked too many questions apparently. My manager indicated that if my title had been Android Developer there probably would not have been a problem. I don't care about titles really. I was hired in 2014 as a contractor for…

First question is are you sure you were fired with cause and not laid off? If you're sure it's the first you might want to consult a lawyer. Usually a company needs a pretty strong paper trail and a lot of evidence of you screwing up royally before they can fire with cause.

Obviously, they should consult a lawyer, but I want to clarify this point, because the parent comment can be very misleading.

If you have a specific employment contract, all bets are off and only your lawyer and the courts can really determine what is/is not a permissible dismissal.

Assuming no contract, "cause" needs vary by state, so you can't just trust the parent message. In At-Will states, most of the time, you can be fired for any reason (except protected reasons) at any time including "asking too many questions", "asking the wrong questions", "not asking enough questions", or "he/she looked at me funny and I was in a bad mood." All are perfectly valid reasons for an on-the-spot dismissal in an At-Will state.

Now where it gets trickier is filing for unemployment. This can be harder to navigate than simple At-Will rules. In my state, all of the following will be docked against the employer for unemployment compensation:

* Just felt like firing someone

* Asks too many/not enough questions

* Constant quality issues

* Couldn't actually code and in a developer role

In all of the above, it is expected that the employer either should have figured it out before hiring, or should train/retrain to address the situation.

If an employer fires you for a policy violation, then unemployment will not be charged back to the employer (and likely the employee is not "unemployment eligible"). Usually this involves a longer paper trail with multiple meetings and "official" written notice of a policy violation in your company file before being terminated. Generally, this is a CYA thing for the employer so you cannot claim "you didn't know."

Protip: If there is a bs policy that everyone violates, you can still be fired for-cause for violating it. Chances are if this happens, someone really doesn't like you and they want a good reason to get you out.

But in all cases in an At-Will state, you are still out of a job.

(PS: You notice I do not name my state. Since this is an already tricky situation, assume my state is fictitious, and the rules and experiences are equally made up. Ask your lawyer or the equivalent of your state's (un)employment department/commission/branch for how things apply in your state.)

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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The Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan (OTPP) in Toronto, Ontario, Canada is currently laying off over 100+ (union, management and contractor) IT folks from the Enterprise Technology Solutions (IT operations) and Testing teams. All of the affected positions are being transferred to Tata Consultancy Services (TCS - India based offshoring service company), with those who are affected being mandated to knowledge transfer with TCS up to the January 31, 2017 termination date.

While there have been internal assurances that no other teams are going to be outsourced in the near future, I wouldn't recommend applying for any IT based roles at OTPP.

Full disclosure - I currently work for, and am affected by this outsourcing.

(edit - adding article for those interested in details) http://www.benefitscanada.com/news/ontario-teachers-to-outso...

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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Great thread idea. To echo the thoughts of others in this thread, it is nice to see conversation and transparency around this difficult topic.

Personally have been on both sides of the layoff table and have seen it handled different ways. In some cases, have seen transparency throughout the company failure process with founders and investors working tirelessly to help people land on their feet. In others, have seen deception, founders locking themselves in their office or staying away entirely. Then, little more than a "Dear John" letter telling people it is over.

As you can expect, the general outcomes - from perception of the founders and investors to future collaboration and working relationships between laid off employees - have been significantly better in the former scenario.

Quick plug - I'm on the team at a VC firm out of Chicago and am always looking at new ways to help companies we work with find and retain great people. Have been looking into ways we can work with founders of sputtering companies (both in our portfolio and outside) and the employees that are impacted by the failure of those companies.

Overall goal being to...

1. help hiring companies find great, available people 2. help laid off employees get back on their feet and find great roles 3. help CEOs of failed companies do right by the folks who

If you are a CEO that is contemplating layoffs or have had to do them in the past... or if you're someone that has been laid off, I'd love to connect - brett.bivens [at] gmail.com.

Or, feel free to just reply here!

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