Why I don't want Flash to die (and you shouldn't either)
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Re: Why I don't want Flash to die (and you shouldn't either)
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Then don’t install flash!
That is the degree of freedom that I appreciate. Not so much Flash that bank/shop/gov. sites expect anyone to have it.
And not so little that all the, er, uninteresting-to-me stuff now in Flash is rendered in unavoidable HTML5 standards. (Note to self: save a copy of an ancient browser.)
Re: Why I don't want Flash to die (and you shouldn't either)
#3It's not about "wanting Flash to die". It's about improving web browsers so Flash is not necessary.
Re: Why I don't want Flash to die (and you shouldn't either)
#4It's not about "wanting Flash to die". It's about improving web browsers so Flash is not necessary.
Ah, but necessary is the key word there. Very little that Flash is used for is necessary, it's almost always about entertainment. HTML 5 is well suited to overtake some of the reasons developers have to use Flash - inline video players and many Flex apps.
The HTML 5 technology stack is not well positioned to do everything Flash can do though - and I pointed out three key places where that's absolutely the case.
The biggest point though is that HTML creeps slowly forward through a standards process that is laborious at best. Flash, being a de-facto standard controlled by one company doesn't have to wait - it can push and prod forward and let developers explore new ideas and create new experiences. Even if you don't care for Flash, you should appreciate what it does for pushing the web forward. Sure there are missteps - I think Flash ads are awful too, but the work and because of that HTML5 and canvas will be used to build just as annoying ads in the future.
Re: Why I don't want Flash to die (and you shouldn't either)
#5I want flash to die; I just don't want closed platform policies to kill it.
Re: Why I don't want Flash to die (and you shouldn't either)
#6It's not about "wanting Flash to die". It's about improving web browsers so Flash is not necessary.
Ah, but necessary is the key word there. Very little that Flash is used for is necessary, it's almost always about entertainment. HTML 5 is well suited to overtake some of the reasons developers have to use Flash - inline video players and many Flex apps. The HTML 5 technology stack is not well positioned to do everything Flash can do though - and I pointed out three key places where that's absolutely the case. The b…
I think he means necessary to deliver the appropriate entertainment, not necessary in the True-Grit sense.
Re: Why I don't want Flash to die (and you shouldn't either)
#7What ever happened with that company with the proprietary video codecs that Google bought? There were rumors that Google was going to adapt it and release it as a better open standard than HTML5
Re: Why I don't want Flash to die (and you shouldn't either)
#8It's not about "wanting Flash to die". It's about improving web browsers so Flash is not necessary.
Ah, but necessary is the key word there. Very little that Flash is used for is necessary, it's almost always about entertainment. HTML 5 is well suited to overtake some of the reasons developers have to use Flash - inline video players and many Flex apps. The HTML 5 technology stack is not well positioned to do everything Flash can do though - and I pointed out three key places where that's absolutely the case. The b…
html creeps forward exactly because of people using sub standard workarounds like flash, and those times are changing, anyone following what is happening on the web can see that real web development is starting to move at an extraordinary pace.
the standards committee dont "design" the internet, by definition to become a specification someone needs to have implemented it, browser vendors are free to implement cool new features as fast as they want, w3c is just a forum for agreement on those new features.
if we were waiting on rubber stamping from the w3c, we wouldnt even be using ajax right now.
Re: Why I don't want Flash to die (and you shouldn't either)
#9I think what the biggest problem is with HTML5 nowadays, is that even with HTML5/CSS3/JS every browser supports other parts of the standards and even if there are common elements they can behave differently. Everyone ever written a complex webpage for IE/FF/Safari on Windows and Mac will know what i mean: It's a nightmare. Flash offers a common API for all browsers and operating Systems and even more features then HTML5/CSS3 deliver with a feature rich platform for development.
Don't understand me wrong, i actually wish Flash to die. But i'd rather like it dead when programming for different browsers becomes less of a pain. Internet standards need to evolve faster (how long did it take for HTML5?) and browsers need to be more standard compliant/support a common feature set. Also, as a sidenote, i wouldn't write websites in Flash, but i can see some actual benefits for the developer.
Re: Why I don't want Flash to die (and you shouldn't either)
#10What ever happened with that company with the proprietary video codecs that Google bought? There were rumors that Google was going to adapt it and release it as a better open standard than HTML5
Rumors are that Google is going to release VP8 as fully free codec to resolve -tag codec wars. It supposedly should be comparable to h264 in image quality. But Flash is much more than just video.