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Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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post #80

This is less useful than the hiring one but more entertaining and gives us a chance to boost morale of the people actually hurt. Good thread imho.

It can be useful if companies are doing it in a backhanded manner, and trying to hide the state of affairs from its own employees. Kinda why fuckedcompany became so popular

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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post #98

VisualMeta GmbH in Berlin. They're a 'start-up' backed by Axel Springer, Berlin. They fired about 60-70 people recently, some of them on their first day of work. Most of their devs come from non-existent countries (China/Eritrea/Pakistan etc) and they're paid abysmally (€32-34k). It's a surprise that this news wasn't covered at all in Berlin start-up press.

34k € is a bad salary in Germany? Because I think it is an average 1st salary in France (or the companies I've been talking to are also planning to get me paid abysmally )

For a developer I'd say yes. For comparison the yearly salary for an entry level academic (masters->university) is about 44k € gross/year (which more or less automatically goes up to about 49k after one year). I'd expect a decent entry level developer to make at least that.

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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my ex employer got rid of me in order to spend more $ on aws burning cpu cycles instead. Would like to hire juniors in spades though mind you.

  in order to spend more $ on aws burning cpu cycles instead
Maybe he was long on AMZN and desperately wanted the stock to move up.

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

#135

VisualMeta GmbH in Berlin. They're a 'start-up' backed by Axel Springer, Berlin. They fired about 60-70 people recently, some of them on their first day of work. Most of their devs come from non-existent countries (China/Eritrea/Pakistan etc) and they're paid abysmally (€32-34k). It's a surprise that this news wasn't covered at all in Berlin start-up press.

> Berlin... 'start-up'

> backed by Axel Springer

These are already two red flags, enough for a person familiar with the Germany's job and tech markets to stay away.

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

#136

From the sounds of it Kisura GmbH in Berlin is currently tanking. They're making payroll late, not paying suppliers, etc. They don't need to fire anyone because everyone is quitting.

Looking at their footer - backed by the EU funds for regional development... I have yet so see a successful web project backed by the EU funds. They seem to care about PDF and Word reports more than about any of the software the company creates.

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

#137

VisualMeta GmbH in Berlin. They're a 'start-up' backed by Axel Springer, Berlin. They fired about 60-70 people recently, some of them on their first day of work. Most of their devs come from non-existent countries (China/Eritrea/Pakistan etc) and they're paid abysmally (€32-34k). It's a surprise that this news wasn't covered at all in Berlin start-up press.

> Berlin... 'start-up' > backed by Axel Springer These are already two red flags, enough for a person familiar with the Germany's job and tech markets to stay away.

Care to elaborate?

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did a double-take when I saw Twitter posting[0] in the Who's Hiring thread. What's the rationale here? Why are they firing and hiring at the same time? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12851502

Firing gets rid of the worst. Hiring, at least in theory, pulls in the best. Healthy companies at scale and size equilibrium should be doing both at roughly the same rate, averaged over time.

  > Hiring, at least in theory, pulls in the best.
If you're firing "the worst", that means at some point, you hired them. Not to mention "the best" is a very vague term. How do you quantify quality? What pool of people are you selecting "the best" from? How many of them are "the best"? The first two? The first ten?

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks! I'm really tempted to post about the suffering, near-fraud and deceit in my company, but I figure it'll be all over the news soon.

Careful. It doesn't matter enough to risk your wellbeing.

The truth always matters. I'd rather be a truthful mendicant than a lavishly rich liar.

Re: Ask HN: Who is firing?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the difference between being fired and laid off?

In the UK, "getting fired" or "getting the sack" means you were incompetent (or commited misconduct) and are sent home. For incompentance, they can only do this after a "performance review" (they have to give you 3 months to improve, I think). "Laid off" is called being "made redundant". The company can do this much more easily to a bunch of people, but it generally has to pay them ~6 months salary and can't hire new…

No, we use the terms the same way in the US, just the protections behind them are weaker (and personally, as an employee, I'm fine with it that way).

You might be thinking of the phrase "was let go", which is just a nicer way of saying "got fired".

"Laid off" here means the same as in the UK: you were sent home because your job function isn't needed anymore, or because the company is downsizing.

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