Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

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Post by 58 » Tue, Nov 01, 2016, 8:56 AM UTC

thisisdallas wrote: post #19

piotrjurkiewicz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here we go: this story has just been delisted from front page, despite it (now, 2016-10-31T20:34:43+00:00) has 21 points and isn't flagged. I checked the next 7 pages as well, and it isn't present there either.

Yes, and it obviously has to do with tech. I thought hackers news was a little more open minded and generally a more intelligent community. Guess some users and mods/admins aren't...

I'm with you.

It's disappointing that for whatever reason Clinton in particular is barely discussed on HN. What's come out in the last few weeks should be an enormous, shocking news story (especially if you've been living in the MSM bubble), and yet every submission gets knocked off the front page instantly.

Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

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Post by 58 » Tue, Nov 01, 2016, 8:59 AM UTC

throwaway274739 wrote: post #28

Hacker News is, as clearly stated in the FAQ, "for things of interest to hackers". Given how widely discredited WikiLeaks is -- pretty much every neutral observer acknowledges they're now little more than a messenger for Russian intelligence operatives -- I can't see much value in discussing this garbage. There are plenty of places for on the internet where you can find Donald Trump circle jerks where you can discuss…

So what are you saying, that the emails are fake or doctored?

Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

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Post by throwaway274739 » Tue, Nov 01, 2016, 12:30 PM UTC

58 wrote: post #32

throwaway274739 wrote: post #28

Hacker News is, as clearly stated in the FAQ, "for things of interest to hackers". Given how widely discredited WikiLeaks is -- pretty much every neutral observer acknowledges they're now little more than a messenger for Russian intelligence operatives -- I can't see much value in discussing this garbage. There are plenty of places for on the internet where you can find Donald Trump circle jerks where you can discuss…

So what are you saying, that the emails are fake or doctored?

They could be fake, they could be doctored, they definitely are are out of context, etc. We know these emails are provided courtesy of Russia. Considering the Trump campaigns disturbing ties with Russia, these should be taken with extreme skepticism. To me, the much bigger question is, what does Russia want from Trump? He is obviously going to repay the favor somehow.

Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

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Post by 58 » Tue, Nov 01, 2016, 1:29 PM UTC

throwaway274739 wrote: post #33

58 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what are you saying, that the emails are fake or doctored?

They could be fake, they could be doctored, they definitely are are out of context, etc. We know these emails are provided courtesy of Russia. Considering the Trump campaigns disturbing ties with Russia, these should be taken with extreme skepticism. To me, the much bigger question is, what does Russia want from Trump? He is obviously going to repay the favor somehow.

We don't know who leaked the emails. You'll have to show me proof otherwise.

What's disturbing is the content of the emails. Clinton will not last six months into her presidency, I can promise you that. There is clear evidence from the Podesta emails so far that the Clinton campaign cheated, broke the law, and used the Clinton Foundation for shady purposes. Mark my words, after what's come out in the last few weeks about Clinton, she will be seen in history as criminal, just like her husband.

Did you see she got debate questions ahead of time via Donna Brazile (in addition to the previously discovered town hall question)? That they made millions off pay-for-play with brutal foreign governments? Every day there are multiple discoveries of enormous magnitude, and that confirm long-standing suspicions about the Clintons.

Re: Ask HN: Is discussion of wikileaks not allowed?

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Post by dang » Tue, Nov 01, 2016, 1:33 PM UTC

MrZongle2 wrote: post #4

Sure looks like it isn't, at least not when the story at hand is...inconvenient for certain parties. Quickly killed threads include https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12840068 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12840251

Those threads are obviously just pure politics of the kind that fall outside the site guidelines here, so users were right to flag them.

There's an intrinsic tension on this site: by excluding pure politics and the low level of discourse that comes with it (c.f. "butthurt Hillary supporters" elsewhere in this thread), HN becomes a place for relatively substantive discussion. Naturally, people then want to use this relatively substantive place for political discourse as well. That's understandable, because there are so few public places to have substantive discussions about politics. But if we were to let that happen, HN would soon become just like everywhere else (as I said, c.f. "butthurt Hillary supporters" elsewhere in this thread). Therefore we can't let that happen.

Unfortunately, a lot of people respond to this not with "yeah, I see the tradeoff" but with "this site is censored by butthurt Orwellians".