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I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

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Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

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Post by brokenmachine »

kristofferR wrote: post #15
existencebox wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who DJ'd on a whim for a few years to pay some bills in college, I think that takes away from the thrust of it. In other fields we expect the luminaries of a craft to have achieved that level with some significant effort/insight/accomplishments, and I don't know about you, but 6 months is NOT enough time to truly master a craft. (I say as someone who has spent multiple decades spent in multiple instruments…

I find it really weird that the unique openness, positivity and lack of pretentiousness among EDM fans/dancers is being perceived as something negative. I instead find it hugely refreshing - EDM is all about going with the blissful flow and feeling/sharing in positive emotions with the people around you. As long as the music contributes to a great vibe it's fantastic music as far as I'm concerned, I don't care one bi…

I love your attitude and wish more people were the same. It's a kind of jealousy that exists between people and I think speaks to the general unhappiness of most people in modern society. If people were happy in their lives, they wouldn't want to bring down successful people.

A google search for "unearned pleasure" comes up with lots of interesting results. I would expand that to the idea of "unearned success", which I think is implied to be a bad thing in our society.

There's a limit of course, but I wish our society was less focused on consumption and competition and more interested in trying to help make the average person's life less stressful and more fun.

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

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Post by Uhhrrr »

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #39
Uhhrrr wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musicians and more sophisticated listeners see simple music as boring and vapid, not blissful. Liking it doesn't make you stupid, but it may well mean you're ignorant. I would bet the likes of Tiesto will be much less interesting to you in a few years' time.

Uhh, it varies, really. There's music that's simple because the musicians don't know how to be make interesting music, and then there's music that's simple because that's the musically correct thing to do and the musicians have the confidence to be like "no, we're not playing all the notes and doing all the things right now". There's layers of sophistication. Sometimes becoming a better musician means learning to put…

That section goes for 10 seconds. I guess if Tiesto only ever played for 10 seconds that would be cool.

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

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Post by brokenmachine »

Uhhrrr wrote: post #34
kristofferR wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it really weird that the unique openness, positivity and lack of pretentiousness among EDM fans/dancers is being perceived as something negative. I instead find it hugely refreshing - EDM is all about going with the blissful flow and feeling/sharing in positive emotions with the people around you. As long as the music contributes to a great vibe it's fantastic music as far as I'm concerned, I don't care one bi…

Musicians and more sophisticated listeners see simple music as boring and vapid, not blissful. Liking it doesn't make you stupid, but it may well mean you're ignorant. I would bet the likes of Tiesto will be much less interesting to you in a few years' time.

I think simplicity in music can often be a positive, not a negative.

I love both at times, complex music that I can keep listening to over and over and finding new elements to enjoy, and also simple music where it has been boiled down to only the essential element that perfectly expresses a particular feeling.

Horses for courses. The "sophisticated listener" should be intelligent enough to understand that.

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

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Post by blub »

Uhhrrr wrote: post #34
kristofferR wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it really weird that the unique openness, positivity and lack of pretentiousness among EDM fans/dancers is being perceived as something negative. I instead find it hugely refreshing - EDM is all about going with the blissful flow and feeling/sharing in positive emotions with the people around you. As long as the music contributes to a great vibe it's fantastic music as far as I'm concerned, I don't care one bi…

Musicians and more sophisticated listeners see simple music as boring and vapid, not blissful. Liking it doesn't make you stupid, but it may well mean you're ignorant. I would bet the likes of Tiesto will be much less interesting to you in a few years' time.

Regular, unsophisticated as you put it people listen to music because it's fun, not because it's complex or has some deep meaning.

If you like to play status games that's of course unacceptable to you, as one has no way to separate the plebs from the connoisseurs.

Music certainly has no lack of self-important individuals.

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

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Post by blub »

nfbush wrote: post #19
egypturnash wrote: post #2

This feels a hell of a lot like an updated version of the KLF's "How To Have A Number One The Easy Way", except written by someone who decides to get off the ride before it gets to the end. http://freshonthenet.co.uk/the-manual-by-the-klf/ I sure did roll my eyes and make wanking gestures during the opening paragraphs. No, people aren't at a club to sit back and sip weak tea slowly whilst listening to the intricacies…

There is dance music that is original and tasteful you know? The article instead shows quite well how the mainstream edm scene is mindlessly homologous and that for this scene in particular the hype of big dj's is meaningless. In other dance music scenes DJ's are revered for combining their large collections of music, knowledge of track selection, and understanding a crowd to create an individual experience each time…

Insufferable indeed. Goodness, how will those lovers of dance music survive the onslaught of formulaic EDM drivel one has to wonder.

I was expecting lovers of dance music to... love dance music. Not dictate what's right and what's wrong while passively agressively suggesting that mainstream listeners are ignorant.

I've seen this attitude many times from smaller groups which see themselves above the masses. They need a justification for the fact that their tastes are not popular and that becomes often "the masses are stupid, only we understand the true nature of whatever".

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

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Post by Uhhrrr »

blub wrote: post #44
Uhhrrr wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musicians and more sophisticated listeners see simple music as boring and vapid, not blissful. Liking it doesn't make you stupid, but it may well mean you're ignorant. I would bet the likes of Tiesto will be much less interesting to you in a few years' time.

Regular, unsophisticated as you put it people listen to music because it's fun, not because it's complex or has some deep meaning. If you like to play status games that's of course unacceptable to you, as one has no way to separate the plebs from the connoisseurs . Music certainly has no lack of self-important individuals.

It's ok by me, but the parent was saying liking EDM doesn't mean one is ignorant. I'm just pointing out that it actually does. There's a reason no one listens to unadorned 808 loops, and for the same reason, many people who listen to simple pop and dance music eventually move on to more sophisticated fare.

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

#47

Post by Uhhrrr »

Uhhrrr wrote: post #42
ThrustVectoring wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhh, it varies, really. There's music that's simple because the musicians don't know how to be make interesting music, and then there's music that's simple because that's the musically correct thing to do and the musicians have the confidence to be like "no, we're not playing all the notes and doing all the things right now". There's layers of sophistication. Sometimes becoming a better musician means learning to put…

That section goes for 10 seconds. I guess if Tiesto only ever played for 10 seconds that would be cool.

One other thing: Jahmal is playing against the time signature in that section, which would be anathema to someone who just wants to make sounds to move bodies by.

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

#48

Post by nfbush »

blub wrote: post #45
nfbush wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is dance music that is original and tasteful you know? The article instead shows quite well how the mainstream edm scene is mindlessly homologous and that for this scene in particular the hype of big dj's is meaningless. In other dance music scenes DJ's are revered for combining their large collections of music, knowledge of track selection, and understanding a crowd to create an individual experience each time…

Insufferable indeed. Goodness, how will those lovers of dance music survive the onslaught of formulaic EDM drivel one has to wonder. I was expecting lovers of dance music to... love dance music. Not dictate what's right and what's wrong while passively agressively suggesting that mainstream listeners are ignorant. I've seen this attitude many times from smaller groups which see themselves above the masses. They need…

I don't give a fuck about what people listen to, nor do i claim certain music is right or wrong. If you could actually read i was talking about DJing, as a lover of the internet do you love all the Child porn flowing through it? fuck off you cuck
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