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Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by llukas » Mon, Oct 31, 2016, 10:15 PM UTC

donmatito wrote: post #19

LeanderK wrote: post #13

> Hotz's initial tweets suggested his move was in response to an inquiry from NHTSA, stating that he "would much rather spend life building amazing tech than dealing with regulators and lawyers," well, this is not some stupid web-app that can't harm anyone even if it tried (except from maybe overheating your smartphone). This can kill people, i can't seriously buy dangerous stuff from somebody that says something lik…

You would have won so much Irony Points if only you had written "Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Disrupting the medicine industry with revolutionary tests without sufficient scientific validation?"

Let me introduce to you: Theranos

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by psychometry » Mon, Oct 31, 2016, 10:15 PM UTC

LeanderK wrote: post #13

> Hotz's initial tweets suggested his move was in response to an inquiry from NHTSA, stating that he "would much rather spend life building amazing tech than dealing with regulators and lawyers," well, this is not some stupid web-app that can't harm anyone even if it tried (except from maybe overheating your smartphone). This can kill people, i can't seriously buy dangerous stuff from somebody that says something lik…

>What's next? Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations?

Boy do I have the product for you! Question: Do you like the color beige?

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by crooked-v » Mon, Oct 31, 2016, 10:16 PM UTC

jmcmahon443 wrote: post #10

I think it got cancelled because it is a real startup now. Let me explain! Put yourself in CEO's shoes: you have employees who love working for you but you need to get them a paycheck. From that perspective, it is easy to see that it is kind of crazy to enter into these lengthy government discussions that could possibly ruin your business and delay the entire industry! No thanks!! If they're all really engineers who…

What? Refusing to cooperate with the government in a highly regulated industry will 'ruin your business' anyway.

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by WalterSear » Mon, Oct 31, 2016, 10:20 PM UTC

psychometry wrote: post #22

LeanderK wrote: post #13

> Hotz's initial tweets suggested his move was in response to an inquiry from NHTSA, stating that he "would much rather spend life building amazing tech than dealing with regulators and lawyers," well, this is not some stupid web-app that can't harm anyone even if it tried (except from maybe overheating your smartphone). This can kill people, i can't seriously buy dangerous stuff from somebody that says something lik…

>What's next? Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Boy do I have the product for you! Question: Do you like the color beige?

I prefer the old school green, in the original formulation.

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by EpicEng » Mon, Oct 31, 2016, 10:21 PM UTC

shadowshadow wrote: post #14

tptacek wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They weren't given any government requirements, with the the possible exception of the FHMVSS rule that you can't remove the rear-view mirror of the car. The NHTSA Special Order asked only for documentation of extremely basic test plan stuff (road, speed, weather, and traffic limits for the device, along with user documentation).

The Special Order might be of the "we're looking for a justification to fine you and issue a recall" type, which it looks like they often are.

Well if they were planning on going to market without being able to pass an audit then they deserve every bit of it. I've worked in am FDA regulated field for a little over a decade and getting in touch with regulatory bodies up front is par for the course. Sounds to me like they don't know what they're doing and are in over their heads.

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by M_Grey » Mon, Oct 31, 2016, 10:21 PM UTC

LeanderK wrote: post #13

> Hotz's initial tweets suggested his move was in response to an inquiry from NHTSA, stating that he "would much rather spend life building amazing tech than dealing with regulators and lawyers," well, this is not some stupid web-app that can't harm anyone even if it tried (except from maybe overheating your smartphone). This can kill people, i can't seriously buy dangerous stuff from somebody that says something lik…

> What's next? Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations?

So... Soylent?

>Disrupting the medicine-industry...

So... Theranos?

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by csixty4 » Mon, Oct 31, 2016, 10:24 PM UTC

noonespecial wrote: post #2

There's 2 possible reasons. 1) It really is near vaporware just being shown off in perfect conditions to seem exceptional. 2) It actually does work that much better with only $1000 worth of hardware and responding would give away the secret sauce. I don't give much credit to the theory that they didn't see this coming and were caught flat-footed by the sudden requirements. Oh and: Final speculation: there’s a reason…

This thread makes me happy.

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Oct 31, 2016, 10:24 PM UTC

shadowshadow wrote: post #14

tptacek wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They weren't given any government requirements, with the the possible exception of the FHMVSS rule that you can't remove the rear-view mirror of the car. The NHTSA Special Order asked only for documentation of extremely basic test plan stuff (road, speed, weather, and traffic limits for the device, along with user documentation).

The Special Order might be of the "we're looking for a justification to fine you and issue a recall" type, which it looks like they often are.

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Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by striking » Mon, Oct 31, 2016, 10:25 PM UTC

empraptor wrote: post #6

I'm wary of self-driving systems based only on cameras. He should really wait until cheap LiDARs are available in a few years.

LIDAR is still not that good for driving. It's better than cameras but it's still pretty bad, because its vision can be obscured by weather conditions. Radar is the gold standard for vision like this.

That being said, I thought they were using radar.

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Oct 31, 2016, 10:30 PM UTC

llukas wrote: post #21

donmatito wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would have won so much Irony Points if only you had written "Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Disrupting the medicine industry with revolutionary tests without sufficient scientific validation?"

Let me introduce to you: Theranos

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