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I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

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Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

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I'm reminded of a Key and Peele "How to Rob a Bank" skit:

Now I know this plan is foolproof. Check this out. First of all, you and me start working at the bank. Doesn't matter the position, okay, just so long as we get in there, all right? Then we just go there every day, do the work, gain their trust until we get them in the palm of our hand. All right. So how we get the money? That's the beauty of it, bro. They deposit the money into our bank accounts, week after week, month after month. They're not even gonna know they're being robbed. And then 20 or 30 years later, we walk out the front door like nothing even happened.

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

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So... basically become a DJ? This person didn't fool the world, since they were actually doing everything that goes into being a DJ. They just happened to have an insufferable attitude about it behind the scenes.

They seem to have an opinion that a DJ shouldn't just be someone who picks a set of popular/danceable songs and puts on a bit of a performance while playing them to a crowd of dancing people. Which... okay, I guess?

They also started with insider connections, which is probably the biggest thing that let them overcome needing "luck" to take off.

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

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I don't think people realize the parallels between this and startup life. Lots of people who have succeeded in the startup world attribute it to one thing or another they did but a lot of it is just damn pure luck. This woman faked her way through... if she had wanted she could have continued down that road and be a bona fide DJ and none would be wiser.

> This woman faked her way through... She didn't, though. The only thing she faked was her attitude about what she was doing.

How is that faking? That's just putting up with something to get the result you want.

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

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I read about this woman previously (may have been the same article) but I think this comment on reddit really summed up my feelings on it. https://www.reddit.com/r/ActLikeYouBelong/comments/4cb4yw/fooled_the_world_into_thinking_she_was_an_edm/d1h7aml/ The fools! For they could not begin to grasp the sheer magnitude of my plan! I toiled, sweat soaking my brow and streaming down my back as I mastered their craft. I stu…

As someone who DJ'd on a whim for a few years to pay some bills in college, I think that takes away from the thrust of it. In other fields we expect the luminaries of a craft to have achieved that level with some significant effort/insight/accomplishments, and I don't know about you, but 6 months is NOT enough time to truly master a craft. (I say as someone who has spent multiple decades spent in multiple instruments…

I find it really weird that the unique openness, positivity and lack of pretentiousness among EDM fans/dancers is being perceived as something negative. I instead find it hugely refreshing - EDM is all about going with the blissful flow and feeling/sharing in positive emotions with the people around you. As long as the music contributes to a great vibe it's fantastic music as far as I'm concerned, I don't care one bit about if you spent an hour or a year creating the song.

I spend way too much of my regular life being analytical (heh..) and thinking instead of enjoying, and I really don't understand why it's so popular among music fans to always look for the flaws in everything instead of finding the beauty. I understand that as a someone who has seen through the smoke and mirrors it may be tempting to clear the smoke.

But I came because of the smoke machine, and when I look back I'll remember the warm feeling of empathy, fun and joy seemingly flowing through the hazy air - not about how much time or effort the DJ spent on the tunes. That doesn't make me stupid or ignorant, I'd argue it makes me the opposite.

https://newrepublic.com/article/118854/edm-and-hippies-how-r...

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

#16

This piece takes itself way too seriously. EDM is supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be done with friends. It's not artesnal "my band has less commercial success than yours" bullshit.

> It's not artesnal "my band has less commercial success than yours" bullshit.

Depends on the subgenre.

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

#17
Welcome to everything marketed for mass appeal, ever. Mainstream audiences don't exhibit refined tastes, and the product is more facade than substance. In music this has been an open secret of for decades.

To me, it sounds like the author just has a chip on their shoulder about EDM in specific. That goes insufficiently unexplored, but the reason is probably best described as "salty."

Yet, the article is dressed it up VICE-magazine's carefully managed branding and is designed to look like an authentic entity exposing something meaningful. All flash, no substance. Irony, thy name is VICE.

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

#18
Back in the day I used to put on a few events and have a say as to who played what records and when. We did invite DJs that played known crowd pleasers even if I (and my housemate) were snobbish about what they played. There were two reasons for this, we wished for an inclusive crowd and sometimes a few crowd favourites help with getting people on the dancefloor. We also wished to attract the following of the crowd-pleasing DJ. As the night progressed we could steer the mood into the musical journey we wanted with decent slots for the DJs we really did want to hear. There were times when we had to rescue the decks (due to emptying dance floor) but generally we were hands-off and certainly were not going to dent the egos of our DJs, we would be just playing a 'special request for a birthday girl' or something.

My problem with people that played crowd pleasers was that there was an aspect of them being 'poseurs'. Rather than having a confident idea of what a set should be and putting together something amazing for that night and that crowd, it was almost as if the poseur-DJs were second-guessing things and overly concerned with BPM values, all very mechanical, if skilled. They also were not challenging the audience or creating new music for them. Nonetheless at least they tried, at least they were there in front of a crowd for their mistakes to be heard by all, at least they invested in vinyl (as it was then) and they were able to keep our inclusive crowd happy (if not challenged).

Our scene was 50-50 as far as gender but when it came to organisational nounce and DJing it was mostly male. I do not think that we created an impenetrable male-only clique, plenty of ladies around, just not hitting the decks or having money at stake.

The poseurs did earn acceptance over time in some cases, we gave them the space to get some confidence or whatever it was that was lacking and they earned their place on the scene.

How would I have felt if this 'art project' had infiltrated itself into our events? Probably pretty rotten but times really have changed. Back in the day you could not have 30000 tunez on an mp3 player and have the computer mix things for you. You had to take a choice 150 or so 12" records, all of which had to be bought when they came out as limited pressings with white labels and what not. So to have enough in the bag to cover all eventualities during an hour or so of a DJ slot one would have to have £1000 of vinyl with you, fresh vinyl with sensible back catalog. This was a convenient barrier to entry and probably would have been too high a bar for 'art projects' like this.

You can take the piss out of any medium and any art form and call it an 'art project'. You could even go along to a Trump rally and chant the usual chants and call it an 'art project'. You could wear a football shirt and go to football matches for the first time, posing as a fan and calling it an 'art project'. You could fool people int thinking your graffiti was a 'banksy' and call it an 'art project'.

Beyond the blog post, where are the fruits of this 'art project'? What is being truly created? I don't see any creation of note, just cynicism and assumptions, fakery and nothing really proven.

Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

#19

This feels a hell of a lot like an updated version of the KLF's "How To Have A Number One The Easy Way", except written by someone who decides to get off the ride before it gets to the end. http://freshonthenet.co.uk/the-manual-by-the-klf/ I sure did roll my eyes and make wanking gestures during the opening paragraphs. No, people aren't at a club to sit back and sip weak tea slowly whilst listening to the intricacies…

There is dance music that is original and tasteful you know? The article instead shows quite well how the mainstream edm scene is mindlessly homologous and that for this scene in particular the hype of big dj's is meaningless. In other dance music scenes DJ's are revered for combining their large collections of music, knowledge of track selection, and understanding a crowd to create an individual experience each time. Sure if you have brainwashed yourself to enjoy the tired formulaic mainstream edm drivel you'd love a cliché mainstream edm DJ, however for people who love dance music it can be insufferable.

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Re: I Fooled the World into Thinking I Was a Successful EDM DJ–For an Art Project

#20
The author appears confused as to what being a DJ actually involves. This confusion is understandable considering she seems to believe that the electronic music scene begins and ends with the Big Room EDM of Netsky/Flume. Whilst this may be the commercial face of EDM, for many fans it is no more representative of the EDM genre than chart Hip-Hop is of the Hip-Hop genre. The very idea that refined DJs would want "the platform occupied by cake-throwing pyrotechnic-firing entertainers" betrays her claim of understanding the scene.

Anyone can play some popular tracks and mix into the EDM scene for a while but that's not going to get you on the Resident Advisor Top 100. Serious DJ's (I'm talking the likes of Ricardo Villalobos or Nicolas Jaar) have a religious like commitment to the art and performing sets is only a fraction of what they do.

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