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Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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nicky0 wrote: post #74
lmm wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> spies on you Any reason to believe MS does this more than Apple does? > their OEMs like Lenovo will listen in on everything you do at the hardware level. MS making their own hardware looks to be at least partially a response to that. > - build quality machines that seemingly never wanes in performance while provide enduring support that make them last so much longer than their competitors that it shifts the arithme…

It wasn't always the case, but you are now allowed to run macOS in a VM on Apple hardware.

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Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by mhomde »

jfoutz wrote: post #15

There's no real underdog now. Microsoft has a pretty consistent track record of looking at other companies making money, and making a microsoft version of that. Bing, xbox, azure, and zune are pretty obvious examples. Surface doesn't seem to fit that mold at all. They're giving every indication of doing something new. I can't think of a real underdog right now. Apple had this sort of desperation to do something good,…

Microsoft is an underdog in mobile devices. Google is an underdog in tablets/desktop devices. Apple is an underdog when it comes to services. It's like rock/paper/scissors :)

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

jfoutz wrote: post #28
SamUK96 wrote: post #22

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>No, none of the big 5 are capable anymore. I mostly agree, but seen some of Google's acquisitions and what they're doing now? Boston Dynamics are making some huge strides in robotic motion.

There is no question that every one of the big five will advance the state of the art. IMHO, google will create amazing technology around self driving cars, and likely a bunch of other stuff. They don't have the need, the urgency, or the hunger that Tesla has. Ask a google engineer. they'll tell you Tesla is screwing up the market. Tesla is risking the existence of self driving cars ever happening. One big failure me…

Google's entire talent pool for self-driving cars has left. They had basically the original CMU group from the DARPA challenges, but they've since gone.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by culturestate »

snovv_crash wrote: post #69
culturestate wrote: post #42

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The Mac is hugely visible, but accounts for a small portion of Apple's bottom line - just $6 billion out of $49 billion in revenue for Q416. Financially speaking, Apple is now the iPhone company. They could release a Mac Quantum with holographic storage and still disappoint investors.

Without developers running macos, there are no new apps for the iPhone. The high end market are the trendsetters, and if Apple doesn't want them they will end up as 'cool' as Microsoft was in the 00's. The iPhone will be the phone your grandma has.

People don't make iPhone apps because they have Macs; they buy Macs so they can develop iPhone apps.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by SSLy »

s_ngularity wrote: post #90
nicky0 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't always the case, but you are now allowed to run macOS in a VM on Apple hardware.

Source on this? A quick google search didn't turn up anything

https://www.vmware.com/content/dam/digitalmarketing/vmware/e...

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by rayiner »

whytaka wrote: post #26

Microsoft is innovative because you can now purchase a dedicated hardware peripheral for some software feature the touchscreen was designed to replace. Let's completely forget that Microsoft 'upgrades' your OS without your permission, spies on you, embeds ads into the Start Menu, and their OEMs like Lenovo will listen in on everything you do at the hardware level. In my opinion, these are actual reasons a company sho…

Not to mention this article is based on a product targeted at a niche minority of users. Nothing with a 28" screen is the future of how non-artists use a computer. Microsoft is selling one just mainstream computer (the Surface Book), and despite being a fifth gen Surface device it launched with major firmware bugs that took months to resolve. Apple, unsurprisingly, is selling Macs about five times faster than Microsoft is selling Surface devices. It's selling iPads about 10-15 times faster. Not to mention Microsoft seems to have completely exited the phone market.

Maybe Microsoft needs less innovation and more bread and butter products for ordinary users.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by intended »

whytaka wrote: post #26

Microsoft is innovative because you can now purchase a dedicated hardware peripheral for some software feature the touchscreen was designed to replace. Let's completely forget that Microsoft 'upgrades' your OS without your permission, spies on you, embeds ads into the Start Menu, and their OEMs like Lenovo will listen in on everything you do at the hardware level. In my opinion, these are actual reasons a company sho…

This argument attempts to compare the two firms on the givens, and not the difference.

The fact is that these were criticisms before last week, and nothing about those has changed - the issue is that one firm released a product which was significantly better than the offerings made by the other firm.

Providing this kind of argument is moving the goal posts

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by ggus »

samastur wrote: post #82
lmm wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> spies on you Any reason to believe MS does this more than Apple does? > their OEMs like Lenovo will listen in on everything you do at the hardware level. MS making their own hardware looks to be at least partially a response to that. > - build quality machines that seemingly never wanes in performance while provide enduring support that make them last so much longer than their competitors that it shifts the arithme…

> > spies on you > Any reason to believe MS does this more than Apple does? I can't speak for Windows since I don't use them, but I do run LittleSnitch on Mac (network monitor) and I don't really see requests to Apple I would not expect to see. Of course that doesn't mean they couldn't send collected data with other information they sent, but it doesn't seem likely (a lot of effort for something almost nobody cares a…

Or is it? I use LittleSnitch too, and my Mac does A LOT of shady requests.

Every time I use Spotlight! Everytime I log in.. heck, even the keyboard service has to make internet requests!

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by arviewer »

s_ngularity wrote: post #90
nicky0 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't always the case, but you are now allowed to run macOS in a VM on Apple hardware.

Source on this? A quick google search didn't turn up anything

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/20965/does-apples-...

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by ensiferum »

notalaser wrote: post #85
jfoutz wrote: post #15

There's no real underdog now. Microsoft has a pretty consistent track record of looking at other companies making money, and making a microsoft version of that. Bing, xbox, azure, and zune are pretty obvious examples. Surface doesn't seem to fit that mold at all. They're giving every indication of doing something new. I can't think of a real underdog right now. Apple had this sort of desperation to do something good,…

I've been reading all these Mac-related posts lately because I'm very seriously considering getting one. Why, you ask? Precisely because this: > A linux laptop with flawless hardware support. is hardly cutting it for me anymore, and I've used Linux for a very long time (basically, since Be Inc. was still around and BeOS was still being sold, since we're dabbling in nostalgia). You can get a Linux laptop with flawless…

I hear you. I used not to mind spending hours looking into issues in my Linux when something broke. Not anymore. I just want to actually spend my computer time doing stuff that I want to do (i.e. programming) and not messing with the system. I still love my Linux dearly but I'm just not willing to put infinite amount of time into it. My new laptop runs Win7 Professional out of the box and I'm not even sure if I'll actually replace this with Linux since generally speaking everything just works and setting up the Linux and getting all hibernation/suspends, keyboard lights etc. to work is just painful.
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