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Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

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Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

#171

This site is totally devoid of technical details. Does anyone have any? What's the ppi on the keys? etc... We're in Q4 so is there a more precise estimate of availability?

Did you click on the /keyboard page, it has the technical details. We're coordinating with E ink but schedule is shipping around Christmas.

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

#173

Hi HN, I'm one of the engineers working on the project, if you have any questions please ask.

What's the timeline like until I can buy(not pre-order) this? Edit: would also be wanting the ability to completely disable any 'cloud' functions. That's a real no-go for me.

Q1 2017, depending on where you area. Also the cloud function is totally optional. The mappings are stored on the flash, if you want to update or back them up you can, but it's optional. Some users really really want it so we had to include it.

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost looks like they went for one big e-ink screen underneath and moved the mechanics out of the way between the keys. The "blueprint" also shows such a rectangle that could be one big screen just behind the changing keys. I wouldn't order it before not reading a review about how the feel of the probably new mechanics is. How black is black on backlit e-ink? I'm thinking of an inverted theme, because I don't want a…

It's almost certainly a single display. Mini-caps would be expensive and very difficult to build reliably. The e-ink displays I've seen aren't brilliant at black. It's usually somewhere between 50% to 75% gray. That may well be enough, but I think a lot of people are going to want to see a production sample before buying.

The contrast on the new displays are much better, the spec for E readers (encarta) displays are more forgiving given the application.

Mini caps would be expensive and also not a good look as each display has an IC driver bonded to the glass substrate so you would have this large border for each key.

I totally would want to get my hands / of fingers on one before selling too.

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

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It looks cool, but I don't like that the e-ink displays are deep in the key caps rather than at the top. Perhaps it's a technological limitation.

It's the early unit, the new design uses a transmissive medium that projects the display imagery to the key surface.

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

#176

An interesting idea, but I just don't look at my keyboards. Even so, I can't help feeling this is a much better approach than replacing F-keys with the Mac Touchbar. The touchbar could have been a great idea if above the pre-existing keys. However, if it was a Model M chassis, sculpted full travel loud mechanical keys, E-Ink, and a modern selection of media keys and volume I'd probably buy one. Regardless of how sill…

>However, if it was a Model M chassis Yeah, I was thinking the same thing while reviewing this. An e-ink cherryMX switch keyboard, with a backlight and numpad, would be an instant buy from me (even in the hundreds of dollars range).

Me too :D

Once we ship the first laptop module and standalone, it's the planned next product (maybe with colour E Ink if E Ink Holdings has a time line for release).

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

#177

An interesting idea, but I just don't look at my keyboards. Even so, I can't help feeling this is a much better approach than replacing F-keys with the Mac Touchbar. The touchbar could have been a great idea if above the pre-existing keys. However, if it was a Model M chassis, sculpted full travel loud mechanical keys, E-Ink, and a modern selection of media keys and volume I'd probably buy one. Regardless of how sill…

> sculpted full travel loud mechanical keys I learned to type on a Model M keyboard. But are they actually better ? Or is it all psycho-somatic? I don't think I type any slower on a modern scissor-switch keyboard. And frankly it's a lot less physical exertion and not to mention quieter.

There is a satisfying sound to punching out code or emails on a mech switch. You stop noticing the sound but that said some colleagues who love mechs hate working with others who have them.

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

#178

An interesting idea, but I just don't look at my keyboards. Even so, I can't help feeling this is a much better approach than replacing F-keys with the Mac Touchbar. The touchbar could have been a great idea if above the pre-existing keys. However, if it was a Model M chassis, sculpted full travel loud mechanical keys, E-Ink, and a modern selection of media keys and volume I'd probably buy one. Regardless of how sill…

I think it'd be cool for programming, I have RSI and find using the shift key + another key painful. I also rarely use the number keys above the letters (I used num pad) so changing all those keys to the shit_key equivalent would be neat. And rearranging some of other keys would be great. And don't get me started on games, oooooh, how often to I buy a new game and forget what 'm' does? Knife? Grenade? Pickaxe?

For your RSI check out keyboardio, it's a nice clean ergo design with a mech.

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

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I so much wish Apple would have integrated E-Ink in their keyboard keys. I was kinda hoping from the leaks it to be true but sad :( Instead of removing function bar and putting in a stupid LCD this would have made more sense. If they were dying to put in an Apple watch display in keyboard they could have done it on trackpad! Disclaimer: Despite all this Macbook remains my fav laptop, no other laptop including surface…

Laptops have a year horizon, watch this space.

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

#180

An interesting idea, but I just don't look at my keyboards. Even so, I can't help feeling this is a much better approach than replacing F-keys with the Mac Touchbar. The touchbar could have been a great idea if above the pre-existing keys. However, if it was a Model M chassis, sculpted full travel loud mechanical keys, E-Ink, and a modern selection of media keys and volume I'd probably buy one. Regardless of how sill…

^This. Had Apple gone this direction instead of the OLED bar I'd be placing an order.
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