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Re: Elementary OS

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Post by have_faith »

pavanky wrote: post #199
matt4077 wrote: post #192

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Having an interest in design, I often feel a vibe of aggression towards the whole endeavor coming from some elements of OSS scene that I can see being equally infuriating or hurtful as "neckbeards". Among them are: - dismissal of design as a sort of thin veneer, somewhat fake, lipstick-on-good-bacon - design as a kludge aimed at amateurs, to the point of preferring the worse UI (all else being equal) so as to prove s…

Firstly, I see a lot of people complaining about the design, but the matter of fact is a lot more programmers are willing to work for free and make their contributions open source than designers are. This was more true a decade ago than it is now, so there is a lot of "if it works, do not break it" attitude. Secondly, "good design" is subjective as opposed to a program that achieves its goals. No matter what you do,…

>a lot more programmers are willing to work for free and make their contributions open source than designers are

As a front-end web-dev with a passion for Design/UI/UX I can tell you that many designers just don't know how to contribute and a large portion don't know that contributing to a project as large as an OS is even something you can do.

Programming has a history of collaboration going way back, and because of things like Git/package managers etc, this sharing economy is presented very early on and it sticks on the programmers mind. The designers equivalent is stuff like free stock-photo websites and icon packs, their sharing economy lacks comparable concepts.

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Re: Elementary OS

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Post by angry-hacker »

kingosticks wrote: post #211
pritambaral wrote: post #178

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> 2. Spotify client is no longer being developed for Linux As a consolation, I'm aware of a number of music clients on Linux that can stream from Spotify via their API. Ad-supported accounts don't have access to the API, of course.

These rely on libspotify which Spotify have not updated for years. Sadly they recently also removed the download links from their site. The new Linux SDK has been promised for a couple of years now but nothing has emerged. The future for Spotify on Linux looks bleak. https://developer.spotify.com/technologies/libspotify/#libsp...

What's wrong with the browser version?

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by angry-hacker »

maratc wrote: post #204
e12e wrote: post #190

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I've been pretty happy with the "sakura" terminal[s] - I don't really know iTerm2, though, so I'm not sure what "iTerm2-like quality" means, or if Sakura matches (or surpasses, for that matter) it. I'm not sure why you need a shortcut for copy, select copies by default on linux[x11] - middle-button pastes (or shift-insert). [s] http://www.pleyades.net/david/projects/sakura [x11] https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/deb…

Select means working with a mouse? Thanks, but no thanks. Also, where would a middle button be on a trackpad?

Three fingers?

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

amiga-workbench wrote: post #220
simondedalus wrote: post #219

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yeah, i got used to gnome3 during a redhat class, and subsequently on a default kali install for its own particular purpose, and i don't mind it at all. the alignment is good, and when you want to get rid of all the border stuff you can just full screen. for example, my firefox looks like something out of windows 95, but if i want to pretend i'm using i3, f11 -> fullscreen, ctrl+tab and i'm set. and if i want to see…

I find window snapping pretty essential, using a Mac without better touch tool is truly painful. For my taste, Gnome 3 only needs a few small tweaks, dash to dock, dropdown terminal, and jetisoning adwaita out of the nearest airlock. http://i.imgur.com/jo7XbHl.png

I see greener grass in a parallel universe where the best Apple designers got together and created a really, really good tiling window manager — available as an addition to what we already have. I feel that whoever chose the Miller columns view in Finder, or whoever came up with the persistent global menu bar, these guys should be giving us an amazing tiling wm.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by iamdave »

fabianhjr wrote: post #162
gravypod wrote: post #53

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I would move to an Elementary OS if it's UI/UX was moved over an Arch based distribution. I mean Elementary OS simply looks beautiful and is stable(-ish). On top of Manjaro or something that holds back updates I wouldn't be able to figure out a more perfect development/daily driver system.

You could try Antergos, https://antergos.com/ . it is an Arch-based distro with minor changes and sane default install.

Antegros has been my daily driver on my desktop (MBP laptop for work) for about....six months. I wholeheartedly and without thinking twice endorse this.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by bobajeff »

sprafa wrote: post #227
bobajeff wrote: post #225

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My only problem with the design is the lack of maximize minimize and close buttons in the windows. I could care less if it looks like Mac or Windows or whatever I just need to have those three buttons otherwise I'll just use my phone if I want some "revolutionary different way of interacting with things" (tm).

It's not revolutionary and yes the design of elementary is highly opinionated. I personally got used to it quickly and understand why they removed it

I don't really care why they removed them. I just don't want to jump through hoops just to use yet another desktop OS.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by zanny »

angry-hacker wrote: post #229
zanny wrote: post #39

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You can use the web version of skype now. I'd never install the dumpster desktop version but if anyone refuses to use alternatives I can just go to web.skype.com and it... works.

Unfortunately you can't make calls from web. I mean to phone numbers. Screen sharing is not working either, obvious.

Hangouts can dial phone numbers if you want a web phone dialer. Phone numbers are agnostic and the client backing them does not really matter (since you should have no expectation of privacy over the PSTN anyway).

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by pritambaral »

Mathnerd314 wrote: post #224
pritambaral wrote: post #184

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That can be achieved in any terminal emulator that visually shows the occurrence of an ASCII bell. For instance, all I had to do was include `\a` in my `$PS1` and now whenever a command finishes running and bash is ready for a new command, my terminal emulator gets a bell. Konsole (and any Konsole based terminal emulators, like Yakuake) shows a notification if a bell happens in a non-foreground session. Konsole also…

Wouldn't that beep every time you run a command? And/or interfere with any programs that use the beep for their own purposes?

> Wouldn't that beep every time you run a command?

It's up to the terminal emulator to do what it wants with the beep character. Technically, it's up to whoever has to display the character; if you're running bash at a tty — an actual terminal — then the kernel gets to decide what to do, so it beeps, since there is little else it could choose to do.

Terminal emulators, on the other hand, know they aren't actually in a limited environment and can do a lot more than playing a sound. That's why there's such a thing as "visual bell" among terminal emulators. Some highlight the tab title upon visual bell, Konsole merely sends a notification if a bell occurs.

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> And/or interfere with any programs that use the beep for their own purposes?

I don't quite understand what you mean here. There isn't any way for arbitrary programs to listen for / wait for / register callbacks for the beep.

If you're thinking about the `\a` in `$PS1` ... well, PS1 is shown only when bash runs as an interactive process.

Also, the beep control in ALSA is muted by default.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by stevenjohns »

vbezhenar wrote: post #179
_qc3o wrote: post #153

I really don't understand why developers use macs at all. They're not good dev machines. All production systems I work with are some flavor of linux (mostly ubuntu). There is actually a real impedance mismatch when I'm using my mac for work purposes. All those cores and RAM become meaningless when I have to do everything in a VM anyway. My personal dev machine is a project sputnik running ubuntu 16.04. I can understa…

1. It's UNIX (more or less, but it's much more UNIX, than Windows), it's familiar bash, grep, awk, etc. It also has proper and popular package manager for command line programs (actually 2, macports and homebrew). 2. It just works. You don't have to configure anything, every hardware part functioning properly and it's guaranteed that this will work in the future without any hassle. You don't have to think about drive…

> I have yet to see a device which will claim that it support Linux.

I may have misunderstood this, but System76[0] specifically make 'designed for nix' desktops and laptops.

[0] https://system76.com/

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