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Hyperloop Freight is a Joke

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Re: Hyperloop Freight is a Joke

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Of all the hyped up startups out there. I'm personally most bullish on the promise of the Hyperloop. Really Hyperloop One since they're the only one making actual progress. The article makes some decent sounding criticism on the issue of last mile being the limiting factor. But it all reminds me of what I heard before regarding fast internet connectivity (the issue of the last mile), or why would people need personal…

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Re: Hyperloop Freight is a Joke

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Put all the passengers on the hyper loop, build a freight-only rail beneath the hyper loop, which can be more efficient because it no longer needs to consider passenger requirements with regards to noise, width, height, or even atmosphere in tunnels.

Re: Hyperloop Freight is a Joke

#43

Why not, instead of using an almost-vacuum and a separate means of propulsion, create a stream of air similar to that of bank tubes and just use that for propulsion? Fans inside of the tube would pull air in the direction of travel, and it could be circulated or pumped in from / out to the outside at the ends. At the end of the tubes a main fan system would be the primary work horse, creating vacuum forces on the arr…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach_Pneumatic_Transit

Among other things it's more efficient to send electricity than to send air.

Re: Hyperloop Freight is a Joke

#44
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best legitimate criticisms I've seen are here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk Basically expansion and contraction as well as just plain vulnerability of running a vacuum make it extremely difficult to do practically. The phrase he uses, "all the problems of space travel except in a gun barrel" is a pretty accurate description of the issue. Any loss of vacuum will almost guarantee loss of life. No reali…

You assume that Hyperloop's tube will run a vacuum, which is a misconception. The Hyperloop One design uses low pressure tubes which is completely different from being completely evacuated.

its effectively a vacuum

Re: Hyperloop Freight is a Joke

#45

Of all the hyped up startups out there. I'm personally most bullish on the promise of the Hyperloop. Really Hyperloop One since they're the only one making actual progress. The article makes some decent sounding criticism on the issue of last mile being the limiting factor. But it all reminds me of what I heard before regarding fast internet connectivity (the issue of the last mile), or why would people need personal…

Seems like this is something a company like Amazon could be interested in, for the long tail of products it might be more cost effective to be able to ship via hyperloop vs building more capacity.

Re: Hyperloop Freight is a Joke

#46

I always come to these hyperloop criticisms expecting to find some sort of fatal flaw in the physics of energy efficient supersonic travel. But to my surprise, they instead tend to be pessimists saying things like, "You'll never get past my friends: the regulators, the government bureaucrats, and especially the lawyers!. We will drive up your costs and make you look foolish". First, no one said that designing this th…

so many are using the 'playing at moonshots with other peoples money' criticism.

It's not like investors are blind or dumbstruck just because it's an idea from Musk.

They do their due diligence and if they think the plan has potential, they invest.

I'm sure there were countless technical issues and big challenges around airplanes in the initial stages. And cars. And trains. And, you know, every new technology.

Could Hyperloop (One) fail miserably? Sure. Could it succeed? Also.

Let's just wait and see.

Also, whenever there are invested interests of established competition, they usually drum up the PR machine against new ideas, just as a precaution.

Just look at the fascinating history of fridges vs ice box companies for one of countless examples.

Re: Hyperloop Freight is a Joke

#47
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That demo is unrealistic. The entire end of the tube isn't going to open all at once. Instead, any realistic leak would be pretty small in comparison.

Forces of nature or other things never suddenly disrupt infrastructure. See: http://whns.images.worldnow.com/images/22787728_SA.jpg

It's an elevated track so it really could be designed to deal with that kind of break. Water, Oil, and Gas pipelines for example have long dealt with those issues without breaking when designed correctly.

Re: Hyperloop Freight is a Joke

#48

Why not, instead of using an almost-vacuum and a separate means of propulsion, create a stream of air similar to that of bank tubes and just use that for propulsion? Fans inside of the tube would pull air in the direction of travel, and it could be circulated or pumped in from / out to the outside at the ends. At the end of the tubes a main fan system would be the primary work horse, creating vacuum forces on the arr…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach_Pneumatic_Transit Among other things it's more efficient to send electricity than to send air.

I don't mean as a means to maximize efficiency, but to avoid a lot of the problems (e.g., the risks of a vacuum, the cost of engineering one, etc.).

Re: Hyperloop Freight is a Joke

#49

I always come to these hyperloop criticisms expecting to find some sort of fatal flaw in the physics of energy efficient supersonic travel. But to my surprise, they instead tend to be pessimists saying things like, "You'll never get past my friends: the regulators, the government bureaucrats, and especially the lawyers!. We will drive up your costs and make you look foolish". First, no one said that designing this th…

Just now, I read this piece and the linked New York Magazine piece (which, without mentioning regulators, managed to make the whole outfit sound like the kind of scam Hacker News usually delights in outing). I do not see any arguments of the form you're suggesting. It's not the author's friend "the regulators" that are going to make the Hyperloop fail; it's his friends "physics" and "economics".

Re: Hyperloop Freight is a Joke

#50

I always come to these hyperloop criticisms expecting to find some sort of fatal flaw in the physics of energy efficient supersonic travel. But to my surprise, they instead tend to be pessimists saying things like, "You'll never get past my friends: the regulators, the government bureaucrats, and especially the lawyers!. We will drive up your costs and make you look foolish". First, no one said that designing this th…

so many are using the 'playing at moonshots with other peoples money' criticism. It's not like investors are blind or dumbstruck just because it's an idea from Musk. They do their due diligence and if they think the plan has potential, they invest. I'm sure there were countless technical issues and big challenges around airplanes in the initial stages. And cars. And trains. And, you know, every new technology. Could…

One need look no farther than Silicon Valley to see a plethora of starry eyed investors who are either blind, dumbstruck, or simply haven't done due diligence. Isn't the bubble about to pop... again?
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